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The 2023 Telluride Towing Saga - Adding some data and pictures, and it's not great news

I installed a stealth hitch and their supplied aftermarket harness. Big thanks to @tyger23 for posting schematics and connector pinouts!

Quick rant.. I'm disappointed with stealth hitch. Although I perviously loved their products, do yourself a favor and stay away.. the install turned into a giant goat rodeo. They sold me a hitch without wiring documentation, and their brackets don't fit the '23. They ignored my questions by email, promised wiring documentation that doesn't exist, and are working to "fix" the known fit issue with the '23, but who knows if I'll ever see the updated part. I would return the hitch if it wasn't for the massive pain in the neck to uninstall it. Seriously, stay away!

My long term goal is to buy an OEM Kia harness when it comes out, but for now a 4-pin meets my needs. I cut the turn signal, brake, and marker wires leading to the taillights, and soldered in the wires leading to the converter.

To get access to the wires, remove the one screw at the bottom of the quarter panel trim (see below). After that, the trim pulls away fairly easily. I ended up snapping one retainer clip, and was glad I purchased replacements ahead of time. I was able to avoid removing the 3rd row seats by pulling back the trim panel just enough to get my hands in there.

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As you can see, there isn't much slack in the wires leading to the taillights.
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After cutting away the harness tape, I was able to get to the 4 wires.
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On the driver's side (LH, F12), I tapped into the Marker (G/B), Stop/Turn (Y/O), and Turn Lamp Telltale (Br). This was a mistake, as I later found out, since I didn't have wiring information for the converter box (thanks again, stealth hitch!). After digging around, the aftermarket converter requires only the Stop/Turn (Y/O) and Marker (G/B) from this side, which is different from the wiring instructions for the Palisade. In fact, the converter box instructions have a footnote saying to cut the wire leading to the stop lamp for this application.

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Prior to wrapping the wires with friction tape, and securing them from rattle.

The passenger side (RH, F13) was much more work. With the trim pulled back, you can see there are 20 or more wires all bundled together.
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It took about an hour to surgically cut away the tape and get to the four taillight wires. Here, I tapped into the gray Stop/Turn (Gr/B).
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To supply power to the trailer, rather than running a wire to the battery, I opted to use the cigarette lighter in the cargo area. The socket uses a 20A fuse (I think), but my trailer has LED lights that draw little current, and I put 10A fuse inline. I routed the trailer wire harness through a grommet located under the foam insert. The harness, converter box, and all wires were bundled together and secured on top of the jack. When I need to tow, I just plug the cigarette lighter in. A little hackish, but this will all get replaced with Kia releases their official harness.
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My KIA dealership was able to install a 2022 Telluride tow hitch on my 2023 Telluride X-line. They did have to cut the lower part of bumper (as inserts not available ) and fabricated a fitting for a 7 pin harness. It looks very good. They thought they could install a 4 pin harness and then modify to 7 pin harness; but could not do so as they could find no way to connect. I'm not as technically knowledgeable as many responding, so unclear on all the issues. But dealer was not willing to do major work for install of non-OE harnesss. I'd suggest everyone contact the KIA Customer Care Connect ( access from KIA site - Corporate - Contact us ) with complaints about this issue. 2023 Telluride does NOT have "optimum towing performance" as they state if they have no harness. You can't legally tow without the harness. Picture of tow hitch install here ( can't get it to not be upside down? ) My sense is this is a KIA corporate problem; the dealers were not aware earlier that tow hitches and harnesses would not be available.
 

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My KIA dealership was able to install a 2022 Telluride tow hitch on my 2023 Telluride X-line. They did have to cut the lower part of bumper (as inserts not available ) and fabricated a fitting for a 7 pin harness. It looks very good. They thought they could install a 4 pin harness and then modify to 7 pin harness; but could not do so as they could find no way to connect. I'm not as technically knowledgeable as many responding, so unclear on all the issues. But dealer was not willing to do major work for install of non-OE harnesss. I'd suggest everyone contact the KIA Customer Care Connect ( access from KIA site - Corporate - Contact us ) with complaints about this issue. 2023 Telluride does NOT have "optimum towing performance" as they state if they have no harness. You can't legally tow without the harness. Picture of tow hitch install here ( can't get it to not be upside down? ) My sense is this is a KIA corporate problem; the dealers were not aware earlier that tow hitches and harnesses would not be available.
Your dealership did a great job, thanks for sharing! This is probably what I’ll end up doing come April/May if there’s no news on a 2023 OEM solution.
 
My KIA dealership was able to install a 2022 Telluride tow hitch on my 2023 Telluride X-line. They did have to cut the lower part of bumper (as inserts not available ) and fabricated a fitting for a 7 pin harness. It looks very good. They thought they could install a 4 pin harness and then modify to 7 pin harness; but could not do so as they could find no way to connect. I'm not as technically knowledgeable as many responding, so unclear on all the issues. But dealer was not willing to do major work for install of non-OE harnesss. I'd suggest everyone contact the KIA Customer Care Connect ( access from KIA site - Corporate - Contact us ) with complaints about this issue. 2023 Telluride does NOT have "optimum towing performance" as they state if they have no harness. You can't legally tow without the harness. Picture of tow hitch install here ( can't get it to not be upside down? ) My sense is this is a KIA corporate problem; the dealers were not aware earlier that tow hitches and harnesses would not be available.
Tucker Dawg, what dealership did you work with? That looks nicely done.
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If I get a weight distribution hitch do I need the self leveling rear suspension?
 
Here is Tekonsha's answer to the tow hitch wiring on a 23. Still need to run a power and ground. But plugs into both taillights. Available in early March. Cheaper on Amazon but not yet available.

Tried to post link but the group won't let me.

Tekonsha harness 118881
 
Tekonsha's answer for a 23 wiring harness. Connects to the taillights with t connectors. Not available yet. Looks like 1st week of March. Cheaper on Amazon when available. Tekonsha 118881
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Tekonsha's answer for a 23 wiring harness. Connects to the taillights with t connectors. Not available yet. Looks like 1st week of March. Cheaper on Amazon when available. Tekonsha 118881
The Tekonsha 118881 is probably the fastest and least invasive way to add an aftermarket harness. I was really hoping to use it, but it wasn't available yet when I did my install.

I also tried the Tekonsha ZCI zero contact converter, but there wasn't enough slack in the wires inside the car to add the sensors. It seems like it would put too much stress/strain on them.
 
I installed a stealth hitch and their supplied aftermarket harness. Big thanks to @tyger23 for posting schematics and connector pinouts!

Quick rant.. I'm disappointed with stealth hitch. Although I perviously loved their products, do yourself a favor and stay away.. the install turned into a giant goat rodeo. They sold me a hitch without wiring documentation, and their brackets don't fit the '23. They ignored my questions by email, promised wiring documentation that doesn't exist, and are working to "fix" the known fit issue with the '23, but who knows if I'll ever see the updated part. I would return the hitch if it wasn't for the massive pain in the neck to uninstall it. Seriously, stay away!

My long term goal is to buy an OEM Kia harness when it comes out, but for now a 4-pin meets my needs. I cut the turn signal, brake, and marker wires leading to the taillights, and soldered in the wires leading to the converter.

To get access to the wires, remove the one screw at the bottom of the quarter panel trim (see below). After that, the trim pulls away fairly easily. I ended up snapping one retainer clip, and was glad I purchased replacements ahead of time. I was able to avoid removing the 3rd row seats by pulling back the trim panel just enough to get my hands in there.

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As you can see, there isn't much slack in the wires leading to the taillights.
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After cutting away the harness tape, I was able to get to the 4 wires.
View attachment 29540

On the driver's side (LH, F12), I tapped into the Marker (G/B), Stop/Turn (Y/O), and Turn Lamp Telltale (Br). This was a mistake, as I later found out, since I didn't have wiring information for the converter box (thanks again, stealth hitch!). After digging around, the aftermarket converter requires only the Stop/Turn (Y/O) and Marker (G/B) from this side, which is different from the wiring instructions for the Palisade. In fact, the converter box instructions have a footnote saying to cut the wire leading to the stop lamp for this application.

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Prior to wrapping the wires with friction tape, and securing them from rattle.

The passenger side (RH, F13) was much more work. With the trim pulled back, you can see there are 20 or more wires all bundled together.
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It took about an hour to surgically cut away the tape and get to the four taillight wires. Here, I tapped into the gray Stop/Turn (Gr/B).
View attachment 29543

To supply power to the trailer, rather than running a wire to the battery, I opted to use the cigarette lighter in the cargo area. The socket uses a 20A fuse (I think), but my trailer has LED lights that draw little current, and I put 10A fuse inline. I routed the trailer wire harness through a grommet located under the foam insert. The harness, converter box, and all wires were bundled together and secured on top of the jack. When I need to tow, I just plug the cigarette lighter in. A little hackish, but this will all get replaced with Kia releases their official harness.
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I installed a stealth hitch and their supplied aftermarket harness. Big thanks to @tyger23 for posting schematics and connector pinouts!

Quick rant.. I'm disappointed with stealth hitch. Although I perviously loved their products, do yourself a favor and stay away.. the install turned into a giant goat rodeo. They sold me a hitch without wiring documentation, and their brackets don't fit the '23. They ignored my questions by email, promised wiring documentation that doesn't exist, and are working to "fix" the known fit issue with the '23, but who knows if I'll ever see the updated part. I would return the hitch if it wasn't for the massive pain in the neck to uninstall it. Seriously, stay away!

My long term goal is to buy an OEM Kia harness when it comes out, but for now a 4-pin meets my needs. I cut the turn signal, brake, and marker wires leading to the taillights, and soldered in the wires leading to the converter.

To get access to the wires, remove the one screw at the bottom of the quarter panel trim (see below). After that, the trim pulls away fairly easily. I ended up snapping one retainer clip, and was glad I purchased replacements ahead of time. I was able to avoid removing the 3rd row seats by pulling back the trim panel just enough to get my hands in there.

View attachment 29538

As you can see, there isn't much slack in the wires leading to the taillights.
View attachment 29539

After cutting away the harness tape, I was able to get to the 4 wires.
View attachment 29540

On the driver's side (LH, F12), I tapped into the Marker (G/B), Stop/Turn (Y/O), and Turn Lamp Telltale (Br). This was a mistake, as I later found out, since I didn't have wiring information for the converter box (thanks again, stealth hitch!). After digging around, the aftermarket converter requires only the Stop/Turn (Y/O) and Marker (G/B) from this side, which is different from the wiring instructions for the Palisade. In fact, the converter box instructions have a footnote saying to cut the wire leading to the stop lamp for this application.

View attachment 29541
Prior to wrapping the wires with friction tape, and securing them from rattle.

The passenger side (RH, F13) was much more work. With the trim pulled back, you can see there are 20 or more wires all bundled together.
View attachment 29544

It took about an hour to surgically cut away the tape and get to the four taillight wires. Here, I tapped into the gray Stop/Turn (Gr/B).
View attachment 29543

To supply power to the trailer, rather than running a wire to the battery, I opted to use the cigarette lighter in the cargo area. The socket uses a 20A fuse (I think), but my trailer has LED lights that draw little current, and I put 10A fuse inline. I routed the trailer wire harness through a grommet located under the foam insert. The harness, converter box, and all wires were bundled together and secured on top of the jack. When I need to tow, I just plug the cigarette lighter in. A little hackish, but this will all get replaced with Kia releases their official harness.
View attachment 29545
I installed a stealth hitch and their supplied aftermarket harness. Big thanks to @tyger23 for posting schematics and connector pinouts!

Quick rant.. I'm disappointed with stealth hitch. Although I perviously loved their products, do yourself a favor and stay away.. the install turned into a giant goat rodeo. They sold me a hitch without wiring documentation, and their brackets don't fit the '23. They ignored my questions by email, promised wiring documentation that doesn't exist, and are working to "fix" the known fit issue with the '23, but who knows if I'll ever see the updated part. I would return the hitch if it wasn't for the massive pain in the neck to uninstall it. Seriously, stay away!

My long term goal is to buy an OEM Kia harness when it comes out, but for now a 4-pin meets my needs. I cut the turn signal, brake, and marker wires leading to the taillights, and soldered in the wires leading to the converter.

To get access to the wires, remove the one screw at the bottom of the quarter panel trim (see below). After that, the trim pulls away fairly easily. I ended up snapping one retainer clip, and was glad I purchased replacements ahead of time. I was able to avoid removing the 3rd row seats by pulling back the trim panel just enough to get my hands in there.

View attachment 29538

As you can see, there isn't much slack in the wires leading to the taillights.
View attachment 29539

After cutting away the harness tape, I was able to get to the 4 wires.
View attachment 29540

On the driver's side (LH, F12), I tapped into the Marker (G/B), Stop/Turn (Y/O), and Turn Lamp Telltale (Br). This was a mistake, as I later found out, since I didn't have wiring information for the converter box (thanks again, stealth hitch!). After digging around, the aftermarket converter requires only the Stop/Turn (Y/O) and Marker (G/B) from this side, which is different from the wiring instructions for the Palisade. In fact, the converter box instructions have a footnote saying to cut the wire leading to the stop lamp for this application.

View attachment 29541
Prior to wrapping the wires with friction tape, and securing them from rattle.

The passenger side (RH, F13) was much more work. With the trim pulled back, you can see there are 20 or more wires all bundled together.
View attachment 29544

It took about an hour to surgically cut away the tape and get to the four taillight wires. Here, I tapped into the gray Stop/Turn (Gr/B).
View attachment 29543

To supply power to the trailer, rather than running a wire to the battery, I opted to use the cigarette lighter in the cargo area. The socket uses a 20A fuse (I think), but my trailer has LED lights that draw little current, and I put 10A fuse inline. I routed the trailer wire harness through a grommet located under the foam insert. The harness, converter box, and all wires were bundled together and secured on top of the jack. When I need to tow, I just plug the cigarette lighter in. A little hackish, but this will all get replaced with Kia releases their official harness.
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Hey choosethejuice
Thanks for your post. Really appreciate the detail. My Stealth Hitch is being delivered on Wednesday. I’ll be waiting for the OEM harness but would like more information on the hitch not fitting without a replacement bracket. They did not mention this when I called them last week. I would be very disappointed if they are shipping these hitches knowing there is an issue with fit. I will not accept the delivery if this issue has not been addressed. I would really appreciate a direct message conversation if you’re able. Thanks for your time.
 
Tekonsha's answer for a 23 wiring harness. Connects to the taillights with t connectors. Not available yet. Looks like 1st week of March. Cheaper on Amazon when available. Tekonsha 118881

It looks to be available on etrailer as part# TK22VR. Has anyone tried this harness?

I have my Canadian Hyundai one on order. But they called last week and said it was on back order for a month.
 
Tucker Dawg, what dealership did you work with? That looks nicely done.
KIA of Everett in Everett, WA - just north of Seattle.
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KIA of Everett in Everett, WA - just north of Seattle.
oh dang that's close. I wonder what they'll charge if I go up there for my next warranty work and have them cut a plate for me. They charge so much over MSRP that I am not sure what they'd charge for this though..
 
How does Kia sell a tow specific trim and not have the hitch? All while dealers are selling the high priced trim above MSRP.
Thank you! That is EXACTLY what I said. We were just about to purchase a camper this past Friday and found out there's no way to do the harness thing so now what do we do? Do we buy the camper and hope Kia has a solution by June? Do we call an attorney? I feel completely taken advantage of by Kia.
 
Tekonsha's answer for a 23 wiring harness. Connects to the taillights with t connectors. Not available yet. Looks like 1st week of March. Cheaper on Amazon when available. Tekonsha 118881
Sadly, this is only a 4-pin harness. I have to have the reverse light for my boat's surge brakes. I'll still have to wait for the factory harness.

FYI - the Canada dealer is still telling me it's on backorder. Frustrating.
 
ekonsha's answer for a 23 wiring harness. Connects to the taillights with t connectors. Not available yet. Looks like 1st week of March. Cheaper on Amazon when available. Tekonsha 118881

Anyone use this harness - it's for the palisade - same connectors?
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For someone who will just use a hitch for a cargo carrier/bike rack, etc. and not actual trailer towing, what are the benefits and downsides of the OEM hitch vs. aftermarket? Is it just appearance with the OEM sitting higher and integrated with the bumper vs. below it? I’m trying to figure out the best option for our sx x line we’re supposed to pick up in a few weeks. Thanks!
Just installed this Curt hitch and harness on my 21 Telluride. less than 1/2 the price of OEM through the stealership. 1676426888649.webp
 
surprising there hasn't been more press about Kia selling one of the most popular SUV's touted for their towing, but don't have a factory towing hitch available...
 
It looks to be available on etrailer as part# TK22VR. Has anyone tried this harness?

I have my Canadian Hyundai one on order. But they called last week and said it was on back order for a month.
Received a message from etrailer that harness TK22VR is for Hyundai palisade only, will not work for 2023 Kia Telluride
 
surprising there hasn't been more press about Kia selling one of the most popular SUV's touted for their towing, but don't have a factory towing hitch available...
Agreed. I talked to my salesperson yesterday about my order which is due in on March 4. He already knows I won't take it because I have to have towing (7 pin) and I want the factory package for the leveling. They are as frustrated as customers said orders have really fallen off because towing issue. They are being honest and letting people know they have had 0 2023 tellys come in with towing and they do not have a factory package they can install.
He said another strange though unrelated thing is none of the models are coming in with the universal garage door opener on the rear view mirror. They have to install those at the dealer.
 
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