One of the flaws of an otherwise very capable engine (GDI) is the tendency to accumulate carbon deposit in the intake valves that will ultimately rob power from the engine. They suggest frequent oil changes and use of top tier gas to slow down the carbon deposit in the intake valves. The oil at severe maintenance (3,500k miles) will need to be replaced. But since I don't drive as much (5k miles/year at the most), it will take me a year or more to reach that. Less driving doesn't mean less dirt in the oil. In fact, short, stop and go driving also falls under severe maintenance. Oh, the oil filter can tolerate every 6000k miles change. It's the oil's performance I'm concern about. Thanks.
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15,000 mile oil change
- Thread author DarkMossJustin
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It seems the Kirkland oil is not ACEA A5 type that Kia says to use. They give other options if it is not available in your country, but it is available in USA. Any concerns about voiding the powertrain warranty?
Husker Soze
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Bottom line.....It meets the specs.
Costco oil
I am sticking with a Acea A5 oil. I am going to use Pennzoil. Like what someone stated above...ACEA is the Euro standard and the API is the N. American standard. As long as it's meeting the recommended spec... brand would be just a users preference.
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I am not sure how much of a stickler Kia will be with warranty claims, I did hear the Hyundai can be sticklers if it matters. It seems The Kirkland Oil you are using does not meet Kia's recommendation as it is not an ACEA A5 compliant oil as far as I can tell (from the back of the container) and it could lead to voiding the powertrain warranty.
Excerpt from Warranty Manual:
Damage due to Lack of Maintenance or the Use of Wrong Fuel,Oil or Lubricants.
• Improper maintenance or the use of other than the specified fuel, oil or lubricants recommended in your Owner’s Manual. It is your obligation to ensure that you obtain all fuels, oils and lubricants from reliable vendors using quality products which meet the Kia specifications identified in your Owner’s Manual. In the event that problems result to your vehicle due to service from vendors who use reduced quality products, your vehicle warranties will not provide coverage.
From the user manual:
"If the ACEA A5 engine oil is not available in your country, you are able to use API SM & ILSAC GF-4 (or above) or ACEA A3".
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But it doesn't meet the specs as Kirkland is not an ACEA A5 oil. Kirkland only meets specs if you are in a country that does not have ACEA A5 oil and the US does have ACEA A5 oil (Pennzoil, Mobil 1 are examples). I personally would like to use a better oil for wear, sludge, soot etc but ACEA A5 oil is specified for fuel economy.Bottom line.....It meets the specs.
Costco oil
I am sticking with a Acea A5 oil. I am going to use Pennzoil. Like what someone stated above...ACEA is the Euro standard and the API is the N. American standard. As long as it's meeting the recommended spec... brand would be just a users preference.
From Manual. "If the ACEA A5 engine oil is not available in your country, you are able to use API SM & ILSAC GF-4 (or above) or ACEA A3."
I personally would not risk it as if you need to make a powertrain engine claim, they will ask for your receipts.
Husker Soze
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With all of the people terrified of changing their own oil and/or using an oil BRAND that is not specifically mentioned by the manufacturer, you'd think engines were blowing up left and right with the manufacturers blaming the oil brand or improper oil change procedure. I have seen it other forums, too. I just don't understand it. The brand will not matter. Do you keep your old oil jugs as proof that is what you changed your oil with? The receipts I don't believe will be much proof, either, as they can be faked. Taking it to the dealer to change it? Good luck. You think if Kia pushed back the dealer wouldn't lawyer up, too?
My take is that if you are going to fight it, ultimately, the manufacturer would have to prove why the oil was the cause of the damage...just like aftermarket parts and the Magnuson Moss Act. If you have a catastrophic failure and Kia decides to fight you it is going to be long and drawn out no matter what brand of oil or who changed it. I would think if you use a good quality oil and change it at the proper intervals, they will not be able to use that in their defense as an oil analysis would shut them down right quick.
My take is that if you are going to fight it, ultimately, the manufacturer would have to prove why the oil was the cause of the damage...just like aftermarket parts and the Magnuson Moss Act. If you have a catastrophic failure and Kia decides to fight you it is going to be long and drawn out no matter what brand of oil or who changed it. I would think if you use a good quality oil and change it at the proper intervals, they will not be able to use that in their defense as an oil analysis would shut them down right quick.
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DarkMossJustin
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I was at an O'Reilly's the other day and was shocked to see so many varieties of Mobil 1 Full Synthetic on the shelves.
High mileage I'd heard of and used for my former car but they have some other interesting choices.
One claims to be good for 20,000 miles and another is supposed to be best for hard-working engines i.e. Towing/SUV/Truck.
Marketing ploys or actual discernable differences in the product?
High mileage I'd heard of and used for my former car but they have some other interesting choices.
One claims to be good for 20,000 miles and another is supposed to be best for hard-working engines i.e. Towing/SUV/Truck.
Marketing ploys or actual discernable differences in the product?
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Is this the Pennziol you are using?
CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) is a standard set by the federal government in response to the 1970s oil embargo. Simply put, it is a goal set by US government for the car manufacturers to meet an ever increasing requirement to save fuel by meeting miles per gallon consumption for each fleet of car. To comply, car manufacturers have been threading the needle with various inventions and strategies to meet this goal of saving fuel. But car manufacturers do not only make cars to meet CAFE! They also make cars to excite their customers! So miles per gallon is tempered by 0-60 in 6 seconds (or faster)! With the advent of faster and smaller chips, the excitement part means more tech for the car buyers (rolling computers)--infotainments (navigation, bluetooth, Sirius xm, etc), radar, sensors and camera for safer driving and driver's assistance as well as meeting emission tests. Car buyers have their own requirements--durability, reliability, maintenance and repair cost and residual value and window stickers. Most of us (even older people) ultimately choose fun, fun, fun! Alas, the real test is the number of cars sold in the dealers' lots! All these put pressure on car manufacturers to come up with energy saving but exciting cars! Enter TDI (Turbocharged Direct Engine), GDI (Gas Direct Engine)! They are just the latest combination of beauty and the beast! With the federal setting the goal, manufacturers set their sights along with their requirement on parts, gas, lubricants (energy conserving and soot reducing lubricants and fuel). Lubricant companies make their products (motor oils) to meet car manufacturers' requirements. This is the oil specifications (oil's properties) that best interface with the car manufacturer's requirements to gain their approval for the use on their cars. This is why oil makers have always stated "meets car manufacturers' requirement", "consult your car manufacturer's manual", etc. Thanks!
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Thanks for the info. Is this then the one? I need to know exactly as I plan to order it from Amazon soon.
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That should be the one.
FYI - unless you are doing really long oil change intervals, I think the Platinum(without the ultra) would be just fine. I am using that and my oil change analyses are coming in very good so far. Been doing 5k miles before doing oil changes, but going to 7.5K now that I am past 15K miles and all the new engine junk is fully flushed out.
Any update on the ValvoMax drain valve? I've been using Fumoto valves for about 20 years and while I like them, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the pros and cons. With respect to the Fumoto valves, it appears they stick out a bit further than the ValvoMax and drain a bit slow. The ValvoMax essentially requires a tool (the threaded hose) to be able to drain the oil where as the Fumoto does not.
Nope! I had it in my hand but chickened out! I was then changing the oll for the first time last month (at 1,700 miles) when it suddenly dawned on me that, nope, just didn't want that risk (or pressure on me) yet! Too early to take that! Tho I had fumoto valve installed on my 2005 Honda Pilot after its first oil change, there were plenty of documented and satisfied forum members at that time (Honda Pilot Forum) already. Thanks!
here is a tool that might shed some light or more confusion.
Interestingly, ACEA A5 does not define the whole thing unless you interpret it to refer to the original 2002 spec. before /B5 was added.
ACEA A5-02, ACEA A5/B5-04, ACEA A5/B5-07, ACEA A5/B5-08, ........, ACEA A5/B5-21 are all different
ACEA A5-02, ACEA A5/B5-04, ACEA A5/B5-07, ACEA A5/B5-08, ........, ACEA A5/B5-21 are all different
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I see this thread is older but I have a question about oil change and the oil reset process. I have a 2024 Telly and got my first oil change at the dealership--for now (Stealership in the future?). The sticker they put on the windshield say 5k miles I should return. I've seen on some youtubes where the owner can change the time/miles of the oil change, and reset the settings when an oil change is done. Anyone can show me or walk me through resetting the oil after an oil change and resetting the miles/times from 5k to 7.5k and to 6 months or a year? thanks in advance
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You might have to go to the dealership and have them unlock it for you. I was unable to change my service interval. I went to the dealership for a recall and had them enable the setting so I could change the interval to what ever I wanted.
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Thanks---I was pulling my hair out and I don't have much. Do you know if we owners can change or program settings? I have been BMW owner since 1980 and all of them it was able to get a scanner and change settings. Anyone on this forum know the answer? Maybe the Telly is too new to have forum members have that capability.
I was also told recently by the service writer that the intervals are preset and cannot be changed to the owner's preference.
