2020 KIA Telluride National Press Introduction - documents

[tallLeRoy]

The source that all those press people communicated so poorly in the last week. Some of the videos were way way off base

2020 KIA Telluride National Press Introduction

 

[tallLeRoy]

This tidbit is news to me at least. I have heard different distributions of front to rear torque in the different drive modes.

• Available active on-demand all-wheel drive helps provide enhanced driving performance by actively distributing torque between front and rear wheels depending on road conditions and driver input. The system utilizes electro-hydraulic AWD coupling to precisely activate the multi-plate clutch plate, constantly redistributing the amount of power transferred to the front and rear wheels. During normal driving, power is distributed according to the drive mode selected. “Eco” and “Comfort” modes can deliver up to 20 to 35 percent of the power to the rear wheels, respectively. “Sport”, “Smart” and “Snow” modes can deliver up to 50 percent of the power to the rear wheels. “AWD Lock” mode delivers power evenly to all four wheels

 

[Turtle12]

70% to the rear would be better for those of us who live on the side of a mountain, but I'll reserve judgment till I drive one.

 

[syadasti]

70% to the rear would be better for those of us who live on the side of a mountain, but I'll reserve judgment till I drive one.

I think the Magna electronic mpt system used can do up to 100% to the rear but Kia didn't program it that way.

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[ucinn]

Being a front wheel drive based, you will never get more than 50% to the back wheels. The stinger can do up to 80% to the rear because of being a rear wheel drive based system. The Sorento also can't do more thyan 50% to the rear.

 

[Turtle12]

I'm pretty sure the Pilot and Passport are front wheel drive based and can deliver 70% to the rear.

Being a front wheel drive based, you will never get more than 50% to the back wheels. The stinger can do up to 80% to the rear because of being a rear wheel drive based system. The Sorento also can't do more thyan 50% to the rear.

 

[ucinn]

Pilots with Honda's Variable Torque Management 4WD system (VTM-4) sent most power to the front wheels under normal driving conditions. Under acceleration or if wheel slippage is detected at the front wheels, up to 50% of power can be sent to the rear wheels

 

[ucinn]

Passport was offered in three trims, the base model DX, mid-range LX, and upscale EX.[5] DX models had a 5-speed manual transmission, rear-wheel-drive (RWD) layout and a 2.6 L four-cylinder engine producing 89.5 kW (120 hp; 122 PS).[5][6] LX models could be had with an optional 4-speed automatic transmission, optional four-wheel-drive (4WD) and a 3.2 L V6 engine producing 130.5 kW (175 hp; 177 PS) as standard.[5][6] The upscale EX offered the 3.2 L V6 engine and four-wheel-drive as standard.[5] Some first generation Passports were equipped with a rear axle built by General Motors. Others had a Dana built "Spicer 44" rear axle.

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[Turtle12]

The Passport will sit between the compact CR-V and the three-row Pilot in Honda's growing SUV lineup. It's propelled by the same 3.5-liter V-6 engine from the Pilot and will be at U.S. dealers in early February in four different variants: Sport, EX-L, Touring, and Elite. The V-6 produces the same output as in the Pilot—280 hp and 262 lb-ft of torque—and it's mated to a nine-speed transmission that sends power to the front wheels. All variants share the same powertrain, and Honda's torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive system is an option on all trims, except the Elite, where it comes standard. Just like in the Pilot, drivers can select from four different drive modes—Normal, Snow, Sand, and Mud—and the system can send up to 70 percent of the torque to the rear wheels and a 100 percent of that torque to each wheel.

 

[ucinn]

Forums Looks like we have differing views here. I really don't think there has ever been a vehicle that can send more power to the non drive wheels through a transfer case. Where did you find that at? If true, and not a mistake by a reporter, than I think it would be a first.

 

[ucinn]

Did some looking and it looks like the new ones can.. So up until 19 model years it wasn't possible. It's pretty wild the way they did it too. I'm just surprised with the beefed up components, that it still only has a tow rating of 5,000 pounds alo.

 

[ucinn]

Passport's AWD system is a full-time system that requires no driver interaction or monitoring, thanks to a torque-transfer unit that is bolted directly to the front-mounted transaxle. The torque-transfer unit receives torque from a helical gear that is attached to the front differential's ring gear, and a short horizontal shaft and hypoid gear set within the torque-transfer unit's case send power to the rear propeller shaft, which in turn transfers power to the rear drive unit. The lightweight rear drive unit is constantly overdriven by 2.7 percent. The resulting overdrive effect is regulated by left- and right-side clutch packs (located in the rear differential) that independently control the power delivered to each rear wheel. The significant overdrive percentage in Passport means that the torque vectoring effect is pronounced and effective even in corners with a radius of as little as 49.2 feet (15 meters). This means that torque vectoring can be felt when accelerating aggressively through a typical corner.

Hydraulically operated clutch systems mounted on either side of the hypoid gear that drives the rear axles control the amount of torque sent to each rear wheel and provide a limited-slip differential function when needed. The clutches can be controlled as a pair to alter front/rear torque split or they can be controlled independently to allow 100 percent of available rear axle torque to go to just one rear wheel. A single electric motor powers a pair of hydraulic pumps – one for each clutch pack. An Electronic Control Unit (ECU) controlled linear solenoid valve selectively sends pressure to the clutch packs, which in turn control the amount of power sent to each rear wheel. The clutch packs and their friction material are carefully designed to withstand the small amount of continuous slip between front and rear axles created by the 2.7-percent speed differential – all while delivering the durability expected of a Honda product.

That's kind of scary... I think I'll keep a monitor on that and see if problems persist. If they do, that's more than likely where it's bound to happen. Also could explain why the tow rating isn't higher

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[tylor]

Looks like there's another discrepancy/mistake with Kia's online marketing of the Telluride. In the "2020 Telluride Harman Kardon Overview" brochure that is part of these national press introduction documents, Kia states that the Telluride has a 12-speaker HK audio system (like the Palisade), but everywhere else on their website, it states 10-speaker. Kia's sure had their share of marketing goof-ups with the Telluride release.

2020 Telluride Harman Kardon Brochure:​

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Website Specs:​

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[zhelder]

Looks like there's another discrepancy/mistake with Kia's online marketing of the Telluride. In the "2020 Telluride Harman Kardon Overview" brochure that is part of these national press introduction documents, Kia states that the Telluride has a 12-speaker HK audio system (like the Palisade), but everywhere else on their website, it states 10-speaker. Kia's sure had their share of marketing goof-ups with the Telluride release.

2020 Telluride Harman Kardon Brochure:​

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Website Specs:​

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OK, SX owners, time for y’all to count speakers...

These marketing “goofs” have me wondering... is the full digital dash going to go “poof” before the Palisade is released, and be cited as another “goof”? After all, it’s not available on the Korean models, and the only brief glimpses we’ve seen of it were in official Hyundai videos with pre-production models, probably filmed a year or so ago. Not one video of the Palisade at the auto shows show the dashboard lit up. I’m starting to think...

That would surely put me squarely on Team Telluride, especially if the Telluride SX has a 12 speaker audio system (the wattage is apparently the same in both systems).

 

[Razorback]

Just counted speakers and found 2 speakers and 2 tweeters in the front, 2 speakers and 2 tweeters in the 2nd row and 2 smaller speakers in the 3rd row area so looks like 10 speakers are correct. Seems unreal that between the potential towing misrepresentation, speakers and ambient lighting along with any other unknowns that there have been this many misses. So much for the QA department

Sorry, just to note that this is on the SX Prestige model. Not sure if there is a difference with the S and EX models.

 

[tylor]

Just counted speakers and found 2 speakers and 2 tweeters in the front, 2 speakers and 2 tweeters in the 2nd row and 2 smaller speakers in the 3rd row area so looks like 10 speakers are correct. Seems unreal that between the potential towing misrepresentation, speakers and ambient lighting along with any other unknowns that there have been this many misses. So much for the QA department

Sorry, just to note that this is on the SX Prestige model. Not sure if there is a difference with the S and EX models.

What's even more odd is that Kia counts the (supposed) subwoofer as one of the ten (?) speakers. The subwoofer would likely be in the back, so it must be in addition to the two small speakers you see in the third row? Also, is there a center channel speaker on the dash behind the touchscreen? The spec sheet mentions both a subwoofer and a center channel speaker. If so, that would bring the speaker count up to twelve. This is bizarre!

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[WhiteSX]

Just counted speakers and found 2 speakers and 2 tweeters in the front, 2 speakers and 2 tweeters in the 2nd row and 2 smaller speakers in the 3rd row area so looks like 10 speakers are correct. Seems unreal that between the potential towing misrepresentation, speakers and ambient lighting along with any other unknowns that there have been this many misses. So much for the QA department

Sorry, just to note that this is on the SX Prestige model. Not sure if there is a difference with the S and EX models.

Y'all know the difference between a Schizophrenic and an Marketing person? The Schizophrenic talks to themselves. The Marketing person listens to themselves. I wonder if Kia is "actively recruiting" a new marketing person?

 

[tylor]

What's even more odd is that Kia counts the (supposed) subwoofer as one of the ten (?) speakers. The subwoofer would likely be in the back, so it must be in addition to the two small speakers you see in the third row? Also, is there a center channel speaker on the dash behind the touchscreen? The spec sheet mentions both a subwoofer and a center channel speaker. If so, that would bring the speaker count up to twelve. This is bizarre!

So after rewatching a few videos of the Telluride, I was able to clearly spot:

4 door speakers
4 door tweeters
2 third row speakers
1 center channel speaker
1 subwoofer

That brings the total number of speakers to twelve. Did this really go unnoticed by Kia's marketing personnel, or are they purposely withholding information in an attempt to further differentiate the Palisade from the Telluride? FWIW, I watched a couple Palisade videos and spotted the same number and general arrangement of speakers. Just seems odd...

 

[YEH]

These marketing “goofs” have me wondering... is the full digital dash going to go “poof” before the Palisade is released, and be cited as another “goof”? After all, it’s not available on the Korean models, and the only brief glimpses we’ve seen of it were in official Hyundai videos with pre-production models, probably filmed a year or so ago. Not one video of the Palisade at the auto shows show the dashboard lit up. I’m starting to think...

There's video of the new KDM Sonata w/ the full digital gauge cluster (w/ the cool blind spot imaging).

Who know what that'll mean for the timetable of when the US-spec Palisade will get it, much less the Telluride.

 

[chp14691]

So after rewatching a few videos of the Telluride, I was able to clearly spot:

4 door speakers
4 door tweeters
2 third row speakers
1 center channel speaker
1 subwoofer

That brings the total number of speakers to twelve. Did this really go unnoticed by Kia's marketing personnel, or are they purposely withholding information in an attempt to further differentiate the Palisade from the Telluride? FWIW, I watched a couple Palisade videos and spotted the same number and general arrangement of speakers. Just seems odd...

I was interested in this as well as I am selling my 2020 Palisade Limited (top trim in 2020) for a Telluride SX Prestige that is on order. I found the following on the Harmon Kardon website. Harman Kardon Automotive Kia

It states, "Surrender to the beauty of every moment with the Harman Kardon sound system in the Kia Telluride. Twelve speakers and a 630-watt amplifier perfectly complement this SUV’s unique acoustic characteristics to create an all-encompassing listening experience."

So, can anyone with a SXP confirm this? Thanks!