How many of you are paying MSRP or above MSRP and why

[Pmauro55]

I’ve been watching the forum for a while now and I’ve seen 95 % of you paying full sticker and the other 5 % paying up tp 10k over MSRP. I realize this is an awesome vehicle but is it worth paying MSRP or more for a vehicle that will IMMEDIATELY lose 10-15% of its value as soon as you drive it home, ..........just wondering

 

[BellyTelly]

Msrp means nothing. Would you feel better if Kia sold tellurides from 40-60k and give you 5k in insentives? I paid under msrp with Kia of Muncie.

 

[StephenCantrelle]

How can you in the same breath say they are losing 10-15% and then post they are selling used at or above MSRP? Just sincerely curious.. what point are you making?

 

[Tellmeride]

She was trying to see who’s dumb and dumber.

All kidding aside, even with a $10k markup you are still getting a deal. KIA is grabbing market share and level up brand image with this winner.

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[jw_tx21]

I’ve been watching the forum for a while now and I’ve seen 95 % of you paying full sticker and the other 5 % paying up tp 10k over MSRP. I realize this is an awesome vehicle but is it worth paying MSRP or more for a vehicle that will IMMEDIATELY lose 10-15% of its value as soon as you drive it home, ..........just wondering

Many of us believe that a reasonable objective is to negotiate to MSRP less factory and dealer incentives (rather than invoice +$500). In my case, I negotiated to MSRP less $2500 manufacturer incentives plus a $300 hundred for additional tint (overpriced add-on yes, but dealer wouldn't budge, and I got what I wanted out of it. Wasn't going to walk out on that minor add-on for an SXP order.) Got it in just under 4 months from order and I am very satisfied. So, in total, paid less than MSRP. Some dealers offer Costco discounts.

Bottom line is that it is not reasonable to expect an individual dealer to discount the vehicle 10-15% (as is case with 2019 Highlander or Pilot) to make a sale. The manufacturer (Kia) doesn't have enough incentives to make that profitable for a dealer.

If you want a 10-15% discount, find a 2019 Kia Sorento - then you can get the discount - most of which is from the manufacturer - not the dealer.

And Stephen is right - you can't claim it loses 10-15% driving off the lot when used vehicles are being offered for near or above MSRP prices - with 1/2 the powertrain warranty (unless CPO).

Now if you're one of those guys who is going to hold out for a great deal and expects the dealer to offer you a 10%+ discount - by all means please do let us know when you negotiate that and take delivery. Inquiring minds will want to know...

 

[klledoux]

Many dealers in my area are selling them $3-10k over MSRP. I found ROn Bouchards in Lancaster Ma and they sold at MSRP and had just ordered an SXP in Oct with no buyer. Took that one!

 

[II Kings 9:20]

I got in writing $10,100 off a 2020 MDX SH AWD Tech down from $52K to $42K.

Not reasonable to expect that on almost any other car. My '17 Pacifica had a $9K discount btw.

I ordered an SX P from Kia of Muncie for $1360 off (not counting any Kia incentives in effect at the time of delivery).

I feel good about the discount and maybe one could do better y waiting until the supply demand equation equalizes. For me, no point in waiting longer since it's already been 8 months and some are still charging a premium. My wait is going to be the build, not waiting on a better deal. I just got interested in trading my Pacifica after an MDX lease ad ran on TV 2 weeks before Christmas and wife and I said that's a great deal. Maybe it's time to lose the van and move on up like George and Weezie with a nicer vehicle and AWD. I never warmed up the to MDX for a number of reasons and we both fell in love all over again with the Telluride.

Waiting to eek out another $500 -$1,000 might put one well into the 2021 model year which may have some new content (doubtful in only a year) but almost certainly it will have a price increase which probably won't faze sales. I hope that's not the case and it is PURE SPECULATION.

I don't recall a big price increase on the Fiero or PT cruiser both were hot and had ADM. I first saw that term when my dad, brother, and I went to look at the 1984 Fiero in the fall of '83.
It had "ADM $2,500" on the sticker. Additional Dealer Markup and the fool car lasted only 4 years. A true flash n the pan. Same for the PT with "Market Adjustment" on the sticker albeit with a 10 year or so run.

The KT is a mainstream premium SUV that I expect to be around for many decades. I remember when Honda introduced it's Acord in '76, Toyota Camry in '82, and Subaru Legacy in '89 .
The KT should have that kind of staying power.

Remember Saturn had "no haggle pricing". Used cars at Carmax are no haggle and think you're getting a discount on a Tesla? Fuggedaboutit.

 

[II Kings 9:20]

She was trying to see who’s dumb and dumber.

All kidding aside, even with a $10k markup you are still getting a deal. KIA is grabbing market share and level up brand image with this winner.

Can't argue with getting a great deal at MSRP but I couldn't pay a $10K premium. I get what you're saying and others have alluded to.
Kia underpriced the KT and could add 5-7K to the MSRP and it would be considered still good, while Volvos, GMs, Chrysler, etc. are over priced and one can easily get $7-10K off. See above on my MDX numbers which is a ridiculous discount. .

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[boatman]

Clowns pay $10K mark ups!

Why are you censoring my opinion forum administrator??.? Do you sell at marked up prices?

 

[critrider]

Consider the "pre hype" pricing, say before May or June 2019. Markups outside of CA were rare, less $1000 competitive bonus, less $1500 kia finance incentive @1.9%, $400 military and a Founders Club incentive of your first car payment up to $750. A lot of us managed to get those. Maybe MSRP and a return of better incentives will show up as inventory builds.

 

[mrmac]

@boatman, read the forum etiquette to understand name-calling is unacceptable, unproductive, immature, and reprehensible.

Intelligent businesses sell their goods at market prices in a capitalistic country. This isn't Venezuela.

Let's play a game for a moment, okay? For this game you own a Kia Dealership. Your entire financial well-being depends on the financial success of your dealership.

You have five tellurides in stock. You have 12 customers eager to own one. Of those 12 customers, 8 are willing to pay $10,000 over the Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price (MSRP); 2 are willing to pay no more than MSRP, and the other 2 want to pay no more than invoice (your cost). Who do you sell to?

 

[critrider]

@boatman, read the forum etiquette to understand name-calling is unacceptable, unproductive, immature, and reprehensible.

Intelligent businesses sell their goods at market prices in a capitalistic country. This isn't Venezuela.

Let's play a game for a moment, okay? For this game you own a Kia Dealership. Your entire financial well-being depends on the financial success of your dealership.

You have five tellurides in stock. You have 12 customers eager to own one. Of those 12 customers, 8 are willing to pay $10,000 over the Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price (MSRP); 2 are willing to pay no more than MSRP, and the other 2 want to pay no more than invoice (your cost). Who do you sell to?

Cant argue with that logic. When the reverse is present, say 25 Tellurides on the lot....advantage customer, that's just the way it has always been. Direct sale to consumers ala Tesla would be a better system IMO but we will never unwind the Dealer networks at this point.

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[boatman]

@boatman, read the forum etiquette to understand name-calling is unacceptable, unproductive, immature, and reprehensible.

Intelligent businesses sell their goods at market prices in a capitalistic country. This isn't Venezuela.

Let's play a game for a moment, okay? For this game you own a Kia Dealership. Your entire financial well-being depends on the financial success of your dealership.

You have five tellurides in stock. You have 12 customers eager to own one. Of those 12 customers, 8 are willing to pay $10,000 over the Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price (MSRP); 2 are willing to pay no more than MSRP, and the other 2 want to pay no more than invoice (your cost). Who do you sell to?

The 8 people in your “story” who are willing to pay $10,000 over the MSRP.....I call them clowns. Should I call them poor decision makers to not hurt your feelings? This forum provides dealerships posting Tellurides in inventory available at MSRP. At least one is taking orders under MSRP. There is no reason to pay anything over MSRP.

So I accept your offer to “play a game”.........and the results are in. I am paying over $11,000 less for my Telluride than the customers in your story. I’m going to go ahead and declare myself the big winner in said game.

 

[mrmac]

The 8 people in your “story” who are willing to pay $10,000 over the MSRP.....I call them clowns. Should I call them poor decision makers to not hurt your feelings? This forum provides dealerships posting Tellurides in inventory available at MSRP. At least one is taking orders under MSRP. There is no reason to pay anything over MSRP.

So I accept your offer to “play a game”.........and the results are in. I am paying over $11,000 less for my Telluride than the customers in your story. I’m going to go ahead and declare myself the big winner in said game.

I seriously feel like I am trying to have a discussion with a toddler. A toddler believes it is all about them and as such there is no other answer than theirs.

@boatman , just drop the name calling and keep whatever contributions you feel compelled to make on the productive side. Please and thank you.

 

[boatman]

Google the word “clown” and read the definition. I saved you the work....

CLOWN: a foolish or incompetent person

That definition sounds about right for a person over paying to the tune of $11,000. This isn’t about your fragile emotions or your unrelated supply versus demand rant. I am on here informing the forum members who are wise enough to read and comprehend that paying these crazy market adjustments is completely unnecessary. Do you really understand that at all?

You can call the boatman a toddler, but I gotta tell ya I am having trouble finding room in this diaper for all that $11,000 cash

 

[mrmac]

Google the word “clown” and read the definition. I saved you the work....

CLOWN: a foolish or incompetent person

That definition sounds about right for a person over paying to the tune of $11,000. This isn’t about your fragile emotions or your unrelated supply versus demand rant. I am on here informing the forum members who are wise enough to read and comprehend that paying these crazy market adjustments is completely unnecessary. Do you really understand that at all?

You can call the boatman a toddler, but I gotta tell ya I am having trouble finding room in this diaper for all that $11,000 cash

There is nothing foolish or incompetent about an individual making a decision of personal value that amounts to something greater thanks yours. Anybody who thinks someone else’s value perspective is clown like is a fool themselves.

Those people truly don’t give a rats asteroid about your opinion. That’s what you don’t get. They don’t care what you think.

As for me, nobody has come close to paying $6,000 below MSRP for a Telluride SXP like I did. Therefore, you have not and can not hurt my feelings with your ill-informed, self-promoting, blustering.

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[StephenCantrelle]

 

[Mweiland]

There is nothing foolish or incompetent about an individual making a decision of personal value that amounts to something greater thanks yours. Anybody who thinks someone else’s value perspective is clown like is a fool themselves.

Those people truly don’t give a rats asteroid about your opinion. That’s what you don’t get. They don’t care what you think.

As for me, nobody has come close to paying $6,000 below MSRP for a Telluride SXP like I did. Therefore, you have not and can not hurt my feelings with your ill-informed, self-promoting, blustering.

Where can I buy a telluride for $6,000 off ?

 

[Husker Soze]

I feel like I need to "moderate"

 

[jw_tx21]

When can I buy a telluride for $6,000 off ?

He bought nearly the first one that arrived at a dealership near him back in March - a dealership that he has a prior relationship with. It was a great deal.