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The 2023 Telluride Towing Saga - Adding some data and pictures, and it's not great news

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Well - I think SeasTheDay and ConfusedOwner can confirm that this tow bar fits, but the wiring harness mentioned in that etrailer link will NOT fit. That would only work with the 2020-2022 tellys.
 
I found that FAQ and at least now we know the location of this harness plug, however, looking at the recommended harness p-118784 dot html, it does not appear to fit based on these pics I took. Also, I need the 7 pin as opposed to the 4 pin. Slowly, but surely, we are getting closer.
Awesome! It’s nice to see this, and that it matches the F45 picture I posted above.

I can also confirm this connector exists in my X-Pro, and it’s in the same location as the jack, covered up by black felt tape. This connector does not go thru the grommet in the wheel well as I previously thought.
 
Awesome! It’s nice to see this, and that it matches the F45 picture I posted above.

I can also confirm this connector exists in my X-Pro, and it’s in the same location as the jack, covered up by black felt tape. This connector does not go thru the grommet in the wheel well as I previously thought.
So this all seems to be going full circle...finally. I cannot tell if "F45" is a standard in the industry or not....or if I'm going down the wrong road by even searching on "F45". Initial searches indicated that BMW uses this, but I haven't seen a diagram on those forums. I've searched the part number and vendor part name from the diagram you've provided, but both return zero hits. Given that the diagram has the wiring colors listed, it may not be too risky to wire in a standard 4 or 7 pin receiver...or both.
 
Perhaps SeasTheDay can pop open his compartment and snap a pic to give us an idea as to what the dealer mechanic did? That would be fantastic, if nothing other than to provide a guide as to what we can expect.
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So this all seems to be going full circle...finally. I cannot tell if "F45" is a standard in the industry or not....or if I'm going down the wrong road by even searching on "F45". Initial searches indicated that BMW uses this, but I haven't seen a diagram on those forums. I've searched the part number and vendor part name from the diagram you've provided, but both return zero hits. Given that the diagram has the wiring colors listed, it may not be too risky to wire in a standard 4 or 7 pin receiver...or both.
I wouldn't spend much time searching for "F45". That's just the connector "number" that Kia uses as an internal reference. It's the 45th connector on the "Floor" wiring harness. Searching for the part numbers listed in the F45 picture that I posted might be more fruitful, but I've not yet found anything other than the manufacturer is KOREA ELECTRIC TERMINAL and the part number is MG646490. That being said - there's no part number listed on their website that matches.
 
I bought my 2023 Telluride SX X-Pro a few weeks ago with the assumption (based on Kia Brochures, Kia YouTube, and Kia ads) that the Telluride would tow. As it is equipped and sold by Kia it does not. The dealer did not know that Kia did not have an approved OEM tow bar/hitch receiver and they had to research what (IF any) could be installed on the Telluride.

That being said. I love the SUV. Its ride, technology, and features are impressive. And now that I have a tow hitch receiver on the SUV I can confirm it tows great. (I have a 21ft center console with total tow weight of ~ 4,200 lbs) Tow Bar: DrawTite 76420 I know the dealer had to get "creative" with the wiring harness. They did a very good job installing all wires properly (brake power pin was the only one not powered as the X-pro does not have an electric brake controller.)

My primary complaint is that the receiver sits below the bumper as I was assuming the receiver would sit within the bumper as it does with the 2022. To resolve the low receiver, I am using a 3 1/4" ball mount riser.

Due to Kia not being prepared to sell its own SUV. I would only have this installed at a dealer. I want to make sure that Kia is on the hook if there is ever an issue with this receiver and setup. I have installed every other tow bar on every prior car, truck, and van that I have owned. I would only have Kia install the Tow Bar on this SUV.

One Note: Every time you start the car, you have to deactivate all of the Parking Safety features to back up the trailer.

Good Luck

I see that you also had a wiring harness installed. I had a Draw-Tite 76420 installed on my 2023 X-line yesterday, but the installer told me there is no wiring harness available that will fit the Telluride plug. Apparently, there is one. Can you provide the part numbers, source and installation instructions for the one you had installed?
 
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I see that you also had a wiring harness installed. I had a Draw-Tite 76420 installed on my 2023 X-line yesterday, but the installer told me there is no wiring harness available that will fit the Telluride plug. Apparently, there is one. Can you provide the part numbers, source and installation instructions For the one you had installed?
I have a feeling that the dealer that did @SeasTheDay's install had to either splice or use wire pins that plug into the female plug (8 pins) provided by KIA that is currently in that compartment. I've searched high and low looking for a plug / adapter and I seriously doubt the dealer hand them on-hand. Besides none of this being transparent from KIA, they really give you NO room to work in that compartment. There is zero play with the provided wire, making it very difficult to even inspect it and make a game plan. If my wire cable and 7 pin receiver comes in from Amazon today, I'm going to take a stab at it this afternoon and see how that goes. This entire mystery is absolutely absurd IMO. I was in hopes that @SeasTheDay would pop open his compartment and snap a pic for us, but no luck so far.
 
I see that you also had a wiring harness installed. I had a Draw-Tite 76420 installed on my 2023 X-line yesterday, but the installer told me there is no wiring harness available that will fit the Telluride plug. Apparently, there is one. Can you provide the part numbers, source and installation instructions For the one you had installed?
Unfortunately, I do not know how they sliced in the 7 pin. I put this issue 100% back on Kia to figure out.

The Telluride cannot tow as sold by Kia. No tow bar and no power. The solution is aftermarket and McGivering the wiring. Tell the Dealer you want to return the SUV as they cannot give you a vehicle that can legally tow. This is what I told my dealer. The Service Manager then stepped in to figure this out.

I would recommend contacting Union County Kia in NC. Scott, the service manager was great to work with as he figured this out. And the SUV now tows as advertised.
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Has anyone had any luck using the Tekonsha ZCI in place of an OEM wire harness? It is a zero contact (no splice) interface that snaps over existing wiring. You don't have the full 7 pin function (electric brakes, aux, etc) but you should have standard 4 pin functions to be able to tow legally. My local guy seems to think this is the answer when paired with a Draw Tie 76420 bar. I have an appointment for Monday morning to get this all installed but wanted to see if anyone has used the ZCI yet or thought about it as an option.
 
Has anyone had any luck using the Tekonsha ZCI in place of an OEM wire harness? It is a zero contact (no splice) interface that snaps over existing wiring. You don't have the full 7 pin function (electric brakes, aux, etc) but you should have standard 4 pin functions to be able to tow legally. My local guy seems to think this is the answer when paired with a Draw Tie 76420 bar. I have an appointment for Monday morning to get this all installed but wanted to see if anyone has used the ZCI yet or thought about it as an option.
Man, it's going to be really tough to get to the wires to put those ZCI's on / around. They have mine so tight / short that I can't really even see the colors of the wires. Seems they've made this difficult all around. I think I'm going to just use female push-on terminals and connect them onto the male counterparts. Should be a fun Sunday project :( Good luck with the project. Please post back whether it is successful or not.
 
Has anyone had any luck using the Tekonsha ZCI in place of an OEM wire harness? It is a zero contact (no splice) interface that snaps over existing wiring. You don't have the full 7 pin function (electric brakes, aux, etc) but you should have standard 4 pin functions to be able to tow legally. My local guy seems to think this is the answer when paired with a Draw Tie 76420 bar. I have an appointment for Monday morning to get this all installed but wanted to see if anyone has used the ZCI yet or thought about it as an option.

Please have your installer take lots of pics of the wiring during the installation. So far, I see no simple solution, but this one may be good. My Draw-Tite 76420 looks great and tows well; it was installed this past Friday.
 
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I chatted with an eTrailer rep a few minutes ago and she assures me that the Tekonsha #118784 is compatible with the 2023 Telluride and that the plug connection is behind the driver-side cargo area trim…not in the jack compartment. ETrailer does not have photos nor videos of the product installation in the 2023 Telluride yet.

I plan to have my installer remove the trim and look for the plug. I considered removing the trim myself, but it looks way more complicated than I have skills to accomplish.
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I chatted with an eTrailer rep a few minutes ago and she assures me that the Tekonsha #118784 is compatible with the 2023 Telluride and that the plug connection is behind the driver-side cargo area trim…not in the jack compartment. I plan to have my installer remove the trim and look for the plug. I considered removing the trim myself, but it looks way more complicated than I have skills to accomplish.
Well my goodness...the plot thickens. I have all my wire run and mounted my bracket at this point. I haven't yet plugged anything in b/c the wire diagram just doesn't make sense based on the tests I did with a multi-meter. Please report back with your findings b/c I was about to blindly start plugging in this morning. Here is where my project is as of now. I've left plenty of extra wire just incase this isn't the correct receiver plug.
 

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Awesome! It’s nice to see this, and that it matches the F45 picture I posted above.

I can also confirm this connector exists in my X-Pro, and it’s in the same location as the jack, covered up by black felt tape. This connector does not go thru the grommet in the wheel well as I previously thought.
Based on comments below, are you still convinced this F45 is the proper harness connector? There is a claim that there is yet another connector hidden somewhere else on the drivers side. I looked all over and I'm not convinced there is another secret connector. Thoughts?
 
I chatted with an eTrailer rep a few minutes ago and she assures me that the Tekonsha #118784 is compatible with the 2023 Telluride and that the plug connection is behind the driver-side cargo area trim…not in the jack compartment. ETrailer does not have photos nor videos of the product installation in the 2023 Telluride yet.

I plan to have my installer remove the trim and look for the plug. I considered removing the trim myself, but it looks way more complicated than I have skills to accomplish.
I can very clearly tell you the eTrailer rep is wrong. That #118784 will not work with the 2023.

To be more clear - I looked at the wiring diagrams for both the 2022 and the 2023. In both units, the trailer harness is listed as "F45" - aka the 45th connector on the floor wiring harness.

F45 in the 2022 is located under the car on the left hand side (right where you see the normal harness connector on the eTrailer videos for the 2020-2022). Here's the official pinout from Kia's global service website, which I find odd because it's missing some wires that are obviously there. That being said - here's the connector.:

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Note the part number for that trailer harness is HP511-12020, which a quick google search will reveal this connector:

12-Pin-Hybrid-Female-Male-Auto-Waterproof-Connector-the-leash-for-the-towbar-HP511-12020-HP51...webp

You'll note that this matches the etrailer connector. However, for 2023 - the "F45" trailer harness uses a different pinout and a different connector part number.
 
Well my goodness...the plot thickens. I have all my wire run and mounted my bracket at this point. I haven't yet plugged anything in b/c the wire diagram just doesn't make sense based on the tests I did with a multi-meter. Please report back with your findings b/c I was about to blindly start plugging in this morning. Here is where my project is as of now. I've left plenty of extra wire just incase this isn't the correct receiver plug.
My hitch installer tested the white plug in the jack compartment and confirmed that it does not carry the trailer brake/turn signals. He looked up the Tekonsha #118784 in his parts supplier computer database and it shows compatibility with the 2023 Telluride and provides installation instructions. The instructions say the vehicle plug is behind the interior trim plate right behind the driver-side tail light. He could not get that trim off easily to confirm the location but he will on Wednesday when the Tekonsha #118784 arrives. If the plug is not there or not compatible, the installer says there will be no charge for the work.
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My hitch installer tested the white plug in the jack compartment and confirmed that it does not carry the trailer brake/turn signals. He looked up the Tekonsha #118784 in his parts supplier computer database and it shows compatibility with the 2023 Telluride and provides installation instructions. The instructions say the vehicle plug is behind the interior trim plate right behind the driver-side tail light. He could not get that trim off easily to confirm the location but he will on Wednesday when the Tekonsha #118784 arrives. If the plug is not there or not compatible, the installer says there will be no charge for the work.

Well - that will be amazing if that's right! Let us know!
 
My hitch installer tested the white plug in the jack compartment and confirmed that it does not carry the trailer brake/turn signals. He looked up the Tekonsha #118784 in his parts supplier computer database and it shows compatibility with the 2023 Telluride and provides installation instructions. The instructions say the vehicle plug is behind the interior trim plate right behind the driver-side tail light. He could not get that trim off easily to confirm the location but he will on Wednesday when the Tekonsha #118784 arrives. If the plug is not there or not compatible, the installer says there will be no charge for the work.
I fear he is going to tear your panels apart only to confirm that this "F45", that is easily visible and accessible, is in fact the correct trailer connector that clearly does not fit the previous model connectors. Seems very odd that this new connector diagram we have been discussing has "TRAILER" and "E-Brake" written all over it, yet has nothing to do with the trailer system. I hope I'm wrong, but if I were you, I'd expect to have a zero charge bill and 3 to 4 hours of your time wasted.
 
I fear he is going to tear your panels apart only to confirm that this "F45", that is easily visible and accessible, is in fact the correct trailer connector that clearly does not fit the previous model connectors. Seems very odd that this new connector diagram we have been discussing has "TRAILER" and "E-Brake" written all over it, yet has nothing to do with the trailer system. I hope I'm wrong, but if I were you, I'd expect to have a zero charge bill and 3 to 4 hours of your time wasted.
After my experience with the Kia dealership and their salesman who sold me a Kia OEM hitch/harness that does not exist, my expectations have been low for any solution. However, my two hours of driving and one hour of waiting got me a Draw-Tite hitch that works great (thanks to U-Haul). To get the wiring, my drive is 15 minutes each way and the installer says it takes 45 minutes to do the work. If the connector is not the Tekonsha #118784, then he will make a different one work. He has that kind of reputation.
 
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Ok, after spending way too much time working on this and pouring over the schematics, I think I have a plan (assuming LarryJordan's installer doesn't find a magic bean hidden in the car). Let me post the schematics and then I'll post my thoughts on it.

Schematics for the 2023 Trailer Wiring system:
1-Trailer wiring system.webp

Schematics for the Stop Lights:
2 - Stop lamp schematics.webp

Schematics for the Tail Lights:
3 - Tail lamp schematics.webp

Schematics for the Turn Signals:
4 - Turn lamp schematics.webp

Schematics for backup lights:
5 - Backup lamp schematics.webp
 




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