Any guesses when pricing will return to earth?

[YEH]

Due to the rise in production from 60k/yr to 100k yr (actually, a little over), many dealerships that have a market adjustment have reduced the amount of their upcharge, but most dealerships still seem to be selling at MSRP (for the top trims) minus any Kia incentives.

Don't see things changing for a while; the new Highlander didn't do anything to lessen desirability of the Telluride (in fact, Toyota USA has a video comparing the Highlander to the Telluride)

So they definitely see the Telluride as a threat.

Can get a pretty decent discount on the newer Highlander, while nearly 2 years later, still will pay around MSRP (or higher) for the in-demand trims for the Telluride.

 

[DarkMossJustin]

Due to the rise in production from 60k/yr to 100k yr (actually, a little over), many dealerships that have a market adjustment have reduced the amount of their upcharge, but most dealerships still seem to be selling at MSRP (for the top trims) minus any Kia incentives.

Don't see things changing for a while; the new Highlander didn't do anything to lessen desirability of the Telluride (in fact, Toyota USA has a video comparing the Highlander to the Telluride)

So they definitely see the Telluride as a threat.

Can get a pretty decent discount on the newer Highlander, while nearly 2 years later, still will pay around MSRP (or higher) for the in-demand trims for the Telluride.

I had a good laugh watching the Toyota-produced comparison video. There were a few nitpicks but no real takedowns of the Telluride.

Amazon Alexa? Please.

No hybrid? No problem. The hybrid Highlander might be great for some if their only deciding factor is MPG, but it's also underpowered for others. I'm not getting a mid-sized SUV for the gas milage, and if I needed a daily driver with better gas mileage, I'd add a Forte or Optima to the stable, not a Highlander.

I'm also glad my Telly doesn't look for cyclists. This may sound heartless, but if distracted cyclists are driving into oncoming traffic, they deserve to join the squirrels and skunks and possums and other creatures that lay flattened on the roads.

Having actually compared the two, Highlander was one of my first eliminations when selecting a mid-row SUV.

1) Fugly, especially the frowny front end, boring side profile, and unattractive rear end. Telly is big, bold, boxy and beautiful
2) Unusable 3rd row <--- dealkiller for many people who actually use the 3rd row. I don't even use it much and prefer the extra space.
3) Where they cut costs shows a lot more than how Kia selected where to spend the money
4) Interior design: Telluride seats are more comfortable, buttons and controls are placed where they make ergonomic sense, better use of space and materials.
5) Bad first impression: nothing grabbed me about the Highlander. At least the 4Runner has some character, but the 1990 4Runner I had back in the day looked a hell of a lot better than Toyota's recent designs. Don't know what's going on with Toyota/Lexus the last 10 years. Frowny front ends, one car that looks like a humpback whale, and the spindle grills on new Lexus models are trash (in my opinion).

 

[Lith_SXPN]

I am truly amazed that Toyota recognized Telluride as competition and made a video about it. It speaks a lot about Telluride and how Kia made a huge stride over the years. It was funny to read some fanboy comments there too.

 

[YAH DEF]

Due to the rise in production from 60k/yr to 100k yr (actually, a little over), many dealerships that have a market adjustment have reduced the amount of their upcharge, but most dealerships still seem to be selling at MSRP (for the top trims) minus any Kia incentives.

Don't see things changing for a while; the new Highlander didn't do anything to lessen desirability of the Telluride (in fact, Toyota USA has a video comparing the Highlander to the Telluride)

So they definitely see the Telluride as a threat.

Can get a pretty decent discount on the newer Highlander, while nearly 2 years later, still will pay around MSRP (or higher) for the in-demand trims for the Telluride.

Holy shit, what a terrible video! Who decided that was a good idea? It's the textbook definition of damning with faint praise. It's "argument" comes across as ... small. And scared. Can't believe that got approved.

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[DarkMossJustin]

Holy shit, what a terrible video! Who decided that was a good idea? It's the textbook definition of damning with faint praise. It's "argument" comes across as ... small. And scared. Can't believe that got approved.

No idea who at Toyota gave that one a green light. They were probably pulled from the same group of brilliant decision-makers who waited too long to put out a video denouncing any connection between Toyota pickups and terrorism after a bunch of Al Qaeda fighters featured their battle-tested Toyota pickups on a series of training and recruitment videos.

Here's a more useful comparison of the Highlander and Telluride that's not made by one of the vehicle manufacturers:

I think the reviewer is generally fair and considers features that people will actually care about and possibly use. I'm pretty sure it's the same guy who was invited by Kia to an event in the mountains to drive a Stinger around an awesome looking race track on the ice and snow.

 

[YAH DEF]

No idea who at Toyota gave that one a green light. They were probably pulled from the same group of brilliant decision-makers who waited too long to put out a video denouncing any connection between Toyota pickups and terrorism after a bunch of Al Qaeda fighters featured their battle-tested Toyota pickups on a series of training and recruitment videos.

Here's a more useful comparison of the Highlander and Telluride that's not made by one of the vehicle manufacturers:

I think the reviewer is generally fair and considers features that people will actually care about and possibly use. I'm pretty sure it's the same guy who was invited by Kia to an event in the mountains to drive a Stinger around an awesome looking race track on the ice and snow.

Thanks for sharing the video. I saw this guy's Telluride review awhile ago and appreciated it. I think he does a good job here too.

 

[Snowfall]

I'm also glad my Telly doesn't look for cyclists. This may sound heartless, but if distracted cyclists are driving into oncoming traffic, they deserve to join the squirrels and skunks and possums and other creatures that lay flattened on the roads.

The 2021 Telluride manual actually says is does look for both cyclists and pedestrians. I think of the feature as helping distracted drivers avoid crashing into cyclists, many of which will no doubt have the right of way. Distracted cyclists pose minimal harm anyone but themselves, but distracted drivers pose immense danger to others.

 

[YEH]

Telluride set a monthly sales record last month (9,824) and despite the record pace of production (the start of production of the new Sorento doesn't seem to have impacted Telluride production), still has the lowest days of supply (16) for any mainstream model.

But with increased production/supply, seems like more dealerships are willing to sell at MSRP.

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[critrider]

I had a good laugh watching the Toyota-produced comparison video. There were a few nitpicks but no real takedowns of the Telluride.

Amazon Alexa? Please.

No hybrid? No problem. The hybrid Highlander might be great for some if their only deciding factor is MPG, but it's also underpowered for others. I'm not getting a mid-sized SUV for the gas milage, and if I needed a daily driver with better gas mileage, I'd add a Forte or Optima to the stable, not a Highlander.

I'm also glad my Telly doesn't look for cyclists. This may sound heartless, but if distracted cyclists are driving into oncoming traffic, they deserve to join the squirrels and skunks and possums and other creatures that lay flattened on the roads.

Having actually compared the two, Highlander was one of my first eliminations when selecting a mid-row SUV.

1) Fugly, especially the frowny front end, boring side profile, and unattractive rear end. Telly is big, bold, boxy and beautiful
2) Unusable 3rd row <--- dealkiller for many people who actually use the 3rd row. I don't even use it much and prefer the extra space.
3) Where they cut costs shows a lot more than how Kia selected where to spend the money
4) Interior design: Telluride seats are more comfortable, buttons and controls are placed where they make ergonomic sense, better use of space and materials.
5) Bad first impression: nothing grabbed me about the Highlander. At least the 4Runner has some character, but the 1990 4Runner I had back in the day looked a hell of a lot better than Toyota's recent designs. Don't know what's going on with Toyota/Lexus the last 10 years. Frowny front ends, one car that looks like a humpback whale, and the spindle grills on new Lexus models are trash (in my opinion).

The 2021 Telluride manual actually says is does look for both cyclists and pedestrians. I think of the feature as helping distracted drivers avoid crashing into cyclists, many of which will no doubt have the right of way. Distracted cyclists pose minimal harm anyone but themselves, but distracted drivers pose immense danger to others.

Darkmossjustin is likely overweight, out of shape, has not exercised since high school, gets annoyed when his commute is delayed by 4 or 5 seconds due to "cyclists" on the road, and thinks bicycles have no business using the public highways/roads.

 

[qwikhit]

Noticed you didn’t @ him; that’s a bold statement for not knowing someone.

 

[Tellthemride]

shots fired

@qwikhit, when you quote, it notifies the poster the same way. Quiet down now as we watch the drama unfold.

 

[ES Frame]

I'm right there with you! Actually you have me beat.....I've been buying for only 50 years I follow the same philosophy! .....never pay MSRP or more!

Same here, first car purchase 1968 Volkswagen (used) , only to give it up to my brother when the induction notice arrived !

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[YAH DEF]

shots fired

@qwikhit, when you quote, it notifies the poster the same way. Quiet down now as we watch the drama unfold.

What is going on in this thread....Lol.

 

[qwikhit]

People taking personal shots at other members; keyboard warriors. Spineless move IMO

 

[Indy Dick]

No idea who at Toyota gave that one a green light. They were probably pulled from the same group of brilliant decision-makers who waited too long to put out a video denouncing any connection between Toyota pickups and terrorism after a bunch of Al Qaeda fighters featured their battle-tested Toyota pickups on a series of training and recruitment videos.

Here's a more useful comparison of the Highlander and Telluride that's not made by one of the vehicle manufacturers:

I think the reviewer is generally fair and considers features that people will actually care about and possibly use. I'm pretty sure it's the same guy who was invited by Kia to an event in the mountains to drive a Stinger around an awesome looking race track on the ice and snow.

Poor Toyota, poor, poor toyota. 2020 Highlander sales, plus or minus 225,000 . Telluride 75,000 or so.

 

[YEH]

^ Don't think think anyone needs to cry for Toyota, but the 75k sales figure doesn't take into account a full year at the expanded 100k+ production rate.

A full year at the current production capacity and we're talking around 110k in sales for the Telluride, with the Palisade doing another 80-90k.

Despite the Highlander being a newer model, it already has higher discounts than the Telluride and Pallisade and a lower ATP as well.

Also, the Palisade does another 40-50k in sales in Korea, whereas don't think the Highlander/Kluger is available in Japan (if it is, doesn't sell in any significant volume).

All in all, the Korean cousins are more profitable - both overall and on a per vehicle basis (which is big reason why Toyota will try to fight back with a Highlander+ - a larger 3-row).

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[Indy Dick]

^ Don't think think anyone needs to cry for Toyota, but the 75k sales figure doesn't take into account a full year at the expanded 100k+ production rate.

A full year at the current production capacity and we're talking around 110k in sales for the Telluride, with the Palisade doing another 80-90k.

Despite the Highlander being a newer model, it already has higher discounts than the Telluride and Pallisade and a lower ATP as well.

Also, the Palisade does another 40-50k in sales in Korea, whereas don't think the Highlander/Kluger is available in Japan (if it is, doesn't sell in any significant volume).

All in all, the Korean cousins are more profitable - both overall and on a per vehicle basis (which is big reason why Toyota will try to fight back with a Highlander+ - a larger 3-row).

I like the Telluride. Heck I have one coming in. I hope it's as good as advertised. I also own a Highlander, a 2006. If the Telly lasts long with as few probems/repairs as the Highlander I'll be a happy camper. But to say the Highlander is not a good vehicle is laughable. As far as sales are concerned, if's and but's..... Toyota owns a major stake in Subaru just as Hyundai does in Kia. Since you want to count those units I'll throw in Subies and off we go in to a pissing contest

 

[DarkMossJustin]

Poor Toyota, poor, poor toyota. 2020 Highlander sales, plus or minus 225,000 . Telluride 75,000 or so.

I don't think I was comparing sales numbers, but whatever floats your boat

 

[Indy Dick]

I don't think I was comparing sales numbers, but whatever floats your boat

Money! that's what floats my boat. It's what floats Kia's boat and certainly floats Toyota's boat. I understand you weren't comparing sales numbers., No one is that dumb. Or is there?

 

[YAH DEF]

Money! that's what floats my boat. It's what floats Kia's boat and certainly floats Toyota's boat. I understand you weren't comparing sales numbers., No one is that dumb. Or is there?

Or is there what?