PittPa
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I haven't been able to find much about the wiring for 2021. I know they switched to 7 pin. I would think its just a matter of time that 3rd parties come out with one if the only choice is the dealership
Thanks! I guess whoever is selling their original cover on Ebay is using the box for the Kia hitch cover, hence my confusion with the P/N. I suspect you can't get that original cover as a separate part. And I checked some images and videos, and sure enough the black Nightfall/Nightsky have a black cover (makes sense). I think I may pick one up on Ebay and just spray paint it black. Then reinstall the original one when I return my lease without the hitch.You can buy the replacement part you cut out all day on sites like Ebay. In fact, thats where I sold mine. Aftermarket hitches won't work with the Kia plate. I think most lease returns won't care but you don't know. You might want to just go with the KIA hitch and turn it back with it on if you aren't planning on reselling. It's not that much more for saving you the labor and time. Or just go without the cover and keep it for replacing after removing the hitch. It's all black there so not much to see.
That sounds great!Thanks! I guess whoever is selling their original cover on Ebay is using the box for the Kia hitch cover, hence my confusion with the P/N. I suspect you can't get that original cover as a separate part. And I checked some images and videos, and sure enough the black Nightfall/Nightsky have a black cover (makes sense). I think I may pick one up on Ebay and just spray paint it black. Then reinstall the original one when I return my lease without the hitch.
I have a 2021 but not manufactured tow package. I did have dealership install hitch and 4 pin wiring (he said that was all that was available and I didn’t research enough) but we need a 7 pin for wiring our new camper. We know nothing about towing...is there a “plug and play” option for converting a 4 to 7 pin?I can only suspect because I haven't put my eyes on it, but I think that part number includes 2 cables. One is the 7-pin round that gets installed next to the hitch 2" square receiver and goes back to the 12-pin molex style connector behind the rear left wheel. If you order the tow option or two package from the dealer on a 2021 that gets pre-installed. The other cable is the one that goes in the cabin and is used to power up the traditional style aftermarket wired controller at a location of your choosing. I don't think that gets installed, I think they just supply it in the glove box in case you want to use it.
If you have a 2021 that did not come with the tow option (nor the tow package), I think this is what you need to add the tow option yourself with a wireless brake controller:
If you go with all the optional stuff above, I believe you have a superior towing solution to the towing package from Kia with the OEM look. At a minimum, the parts for the 2021 tow option can be had for $490 and DIY installation is not impossible.
- S9F67AC500 - 7-pin harness for 2021 only (~$150)
- S9F61AU000 - Hitch Receiver (2020 or 2021 for ~$290)
- S9F61AU060 - Bumper cover for Telluride (2020 or 2021 for ~$50)
- Aftermarket Wireless Brake Controller (something like a Curt Echo or a Tekonsha Prodigy RF)
- Highly Recommended - Make sure whatever you are towing has a weight distribution system and even anti-sway bar
- Optional - aftermarket 7-pin round to 4-pin flat adapter if you plan to ever tow something small without a brake, or a trailer with hydraulic (non-electric brakes), these are normally about $10
- Optional - hitch tightener or silencer, usually around $20 and not required but it dampens some of the rattle noise of the hitch when driving
- Optional - you could have the hitch welded to the frame rather than bolted
- Optional - if you want to prevent rear sag (will not substitute weight distribution) you can get an air bag lift system
I have a 2021 but not manufactured tow package. I did have dealership install hitch and 4 pin wiring (he said that was all that was available and I didn’t research enough) but we need a 7 pin for wiring our new camper. We know nothing about towing...is there a “plug and play” option for converting a 4 to 7 pin?
Will any of this void our warranty?
I think it's basically two parts. One is the 7-pin connector that screws right into the OEM Hitch mount for the connection then wires back to the 12-pin connection under a dust cover behind the left rear fender. The other part is the optional wire for the cabin for a wired brake controller. If you get a wireless brake controller you don't need this, but if you get a wired one, this enables you to connect the power to the controller and connect to the vehicle's wiring harness that goes back to the 12-pin connection in the back.Can someone post a picture of what is included in the
Tow Hitch Harness 7 - Kia (S9F67-AC500)
I have looked on the web and cannot find a picture.
Yes, that is what I figured. Does the 7 pin pigtail include the 4 pin still, or do you lose the 4 pin? I guess I should have worded my original question differently.I think it's basically two parts. One is the 7-pin connector that screws right into the OEM Hitch mount for the connection then wires back to the 12-pin connection under a dust cover behind the left rear fender. The other part is the optional wire for the cabin for a wired brake controller. If you get a wireless brake controller you don't need this, but if you get a wired one, this enables you to connect the power to the controller and connect to the vehicle's wiring harness that goes back to the 12-pin connection in the back.
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Towing
Hi - I know there are a lot of threads here related to towing. I recently purchased my Telluride and am looking to hooking up tow hitch so I can eventually purchase a small camper trailer (likely less than 2,500 lbs). I've read on here that the tow hitches I can get at the dealership are a...tellurideforum.org
You lose the 4-pin. But that's a simple $10 fix. You can have 4, 5 and 7 pin with this adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082VV29H...olid=3HM2G7FEHQTV7&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_itYes, that is what I figured. Does the 7 pin pigtail include the 4 pin still, or do you lose the 4 pin? I guess I should have worded my original question differently.![]()
So, I've read through this, but not sure I comprehend everything I have read just yet. Let me start with explaining my situation and what I think I know, after that, maybe someone can help me fill in the blanks or better understand how best to get to where I want to be.
First, I have a 2021 Telluride, AWD S model , no towing package. I want to add a tow hitch and wiring for at least a 4-pin connection. I'm contemplating , adding some air-lift bags (not just for towing, but in case I have a full vehicle and want to level it out ). Originally I was going to buy a Curt hitch, and install that myself, but I actually like the looks of the Kia hitch much better, and like that the Kia hitch doesn't hang down below the stock bumper cover's height. I don't really need a 7 pin electrical connection, but may in the future so sort of lean toward the 7-pin.
I will rarely even pull a trailer, typically it would be under 3000 lbs, and probably be under 2000 pounds, but would love to be able to pull close to 5000 in a pinch ( for short distances ). I live in Michigan and am not super concerned about having a 7-pin short term and feel I could get by with 4-pin for 99% of my towing needs.
What I'm a little confused about...
2021 Tellurides are or aren't setup to more easily use a 7-pin trailer connector/controller??? That is, from what I read, it seems like the wiring near the rear tail lights, is different than the wiring on the 2020 models, and this somehow makes the ability to wire in a 7-pin connector less difficult? If so, should I bite the bullet and buy the wiring harness from Kia, the one that is like $140, and is specific to the 2021 ( I think ) ?
If the above is true, with regard to the 2021 wiring and/or ability to handle the 7-pin, does the Curt 4-pin adapter still work on a 2021?
Lastly, is the Kia hitch/receiver rated to actually tow 5000 lbs? I assume it is, since they clearly claim a Telluride can tow up to 5000 lbs. So, does that mean the tongue weight can handle 500 pounds? or what is the max tongue weight of the Kia OEM hitch/receiver?
I guess that's it for now. I may have more questions depending on answers to these questions.![]()
Ah, thank you for that wonderful post, it clears up and/or confirms some things that I wasn't sure about. I believe I'll just go all in with the Kia stuff, including the 7-Pin directly from Kia, I don't want to have to get under there more than once , if I can help it.As for if you need a 7-pin or or not, it's important to remember the issue is not the number of wires, the issue is will your trailer have electronic brakes. Then the next question is what gets most novice folks, are the brakes hydraulic/surge brakes or electronic brakes? If you are towing a trailer with electronic brakes then you need a brake controller. You can still tow above 3,000 pounds with just a 4-pin legally across the country if your trailer has surge brakes. That's how UHaul is able to rent trailers to people without a 7-pin. Then when you start shopping for a brake controller after you determine you will need it there are a few different options other than the traditional wired in the cab. You can mount some on the trailer or use a wireless at the hitch 7-pin connection. But you still need to supply an electric signal to the trailer from the 7-pin even if the controller is mounted on the trailer if it is electronic.
- You don't need the towing package. In the long run you can get something aftermarket for leveling that will be less expensive to maintain.
- The Kia OEM hitch is embedded in the bumper, you will need three parts, the hitch itself, the fascia/bumper cover, and a wiring harness
- Since you have the 2021 you have two options for the harness, a 4-pin flat (Kia or aftermarket, aftermarket is better) OR the 7-pin round (consider spending a little more and go with the Kia 7-pin harness since you have a 2021 it will be plug-n-play)
- Putting on a universal 7-pin on a 2021 will work but it means you have to splice when splicing is not required. It is a cheaper way to install and done properly is fine, but not as easy to remove if something goes wrong. More people will be able to plug in the 7-pin from Kia themselves vs. splicing into the vehicle harness on the other side of the connection.
- If you get the 7-pin round and you want to tow with a 4-pin flat then you need an adapter.
- If you think you will need just a 4-pin for a while, then get the aftermarket ones available that are plug-n-play for both the 2020 or the 2021. The issue is the vehicle harness in the 2020 is missing wires that take you to the front of the vehicle for the 7-pin, but all the wiring is there for the 4-pin.
- The $40 aftermarket 4-pin harnesses are better than the Kia one because they are rated for a higher amperage. So they can drive more lights especially for older trailers that aren't using LEDs. They are also a third the price of the Kia one rated for lower amperage.
- The Kia hitch is rated for at least 500/5,000. The limitation is always going to be the vehicle in this case. Some aftermarket hitches are rated for 600/6,000 but that doesn't matter because you have to abide by the lowest rating.
Glad it helped.Ah, thank you for that wonderful post, it clears up and/or confirms some things that I wasn't sure about. I believe I'll just go all in with the Kia stuff, including the 7-Pin directly from Kia, I don't want to have to get under there more than once , if I can help it.
One of the only remaining questions, is more of a curiosity ... But am I to understand that if I go with the Kia 7-pin, a trailer with electronic brakes and the Kia OEM 7-pin, do you still need something else , that would allow you to adjust the strength of the braking from within the vehicle, or is that all done in some other magical (automatic, without some additional components ) way?
Thanks again, your post was very well thought out and implemented, hopefully others besides me can benefit from it too.
I'll read through that other thread, that looks to have a lot of good information there.
For me personally, I don't really expect to be pulling much more than 3000 pounds and never really expected to pull above that , regardless of the 5000 lb. that Kia advertises.. My only issue for a vehicle of this sort, was that I didn't want one with like a 2500 lb. limit, as that would not really fit my needs for a vehicle. My main trailering needs are a 5x8 utility trailer, with a 3500 axle, it doesn't have any brakes on it, but if I were to ever start hauling more than a ton for short distances, I'd likely buy a new trailer that had brakes, etc... Having said that, I don't want to rule out the possibility that I may borrow someone else's trailer that does have brakes on it, and I would like the option to deal with that.
So, bottom line for me, is that I feel the Telluride will fit my needs very well, especially now that I'm aware the 2021 I have can get the 7-pin connected right from the start.