TPMS part number and need for relearn

[Yossarian]

I'm in the process of buying snow tires for my 2022 Telluride EX-P. I originally was going to remove the existing tires and mount the snow tires on those rims, but found a set of used 20" Telly rims that are in good shape and reasonably priced. That in turn means I need to add a set TPMS's or put up with a winter's worth of warning lights. I've found conflicting information on line about what TPMS will fit, and a course a wide variation in price.

The first question I have is with respect to frequency. Does the 2022 Telluride use 433MHz or will the older 315MHz work? That's where the part number differences come in. There are many inexpensive offerings for 315MHZ TPMS units, ranging from allegedly OEM new from China and a number of refurbished (but guaranteed) units from US suppliers.

Assuming that the 433MHz variant is really what's called for, the price differential comes into play.
A site called TPMS.com (with which I'm not familiar) has this for about $28 each:
Kia Schrader 33500 EZ Sensor TPMS Sensor 52933-J5000 433MHz
OEM part numbers: 52933-C1100, 52933-J5000
Alternate part numbers: 20281
Kia; Telluride; 2020 - 2022
Schrader 33500 EZ Sensor is made in the same factory, using the same technology as the OE TPMS sensor. Sensors come complete with all required parts to install on to wheel.

And this for $59/each:
Kia OEM Schrader TPMS Sensor 52933-J5000 433MHz
OEM part numbers: 52933-C1100, 52933-J5000
Alternate part numbers: 20281
Kia; Telluride; 2020 - 2022
OEM Supplier Schrader International - All of our parts are OES (Original equipment supplier) meaning they are the same genuine parts found on your vehicle when it was produced. A TPMS relearn is required after install.

Both are from the same manufacturer. Is it truly the case that one worth more than twice as much as the other? I tend to think not, particularly as it will be in use only a few months, basicalyy mid-November to mid-March.

The real concern I have is with respect to TPMS relearn. I know that this is not a particularly tough process, but why is explicitly stated that it's required for the less expensive variant but not the other? Is it truly the case that one is pre-programmed and works out of the box while the other is not?

 

[PittPa]

I just got my 18 Kia wheels mounted with snow tires and used KIA sensors that I picked up from Ebay. I had everything installed at Discount Tire (Highly recommend!) and the tech there held a device next to each sensor to check the function and reading after installation and said all was good. I have yet to place them on my vehicle but was told to come back to the location to have them reset the sensors when the time comes. I should have more information to share as soon as the first snow comes. This is the seller I got them from. I paid $30 Set of 4 Kia Telluride Tire Pressure Sensors TPMS OEM | eBay

 

[Yossarian]

Thanks @PittPa. The PPMS units your ordered are 433MHz, so that confirms that's what I need.

I'm getting the tires from Costco because they had a good deal on Michelin Ice-X, one of few ice/snow tires with a treadwear warranty. Costco pricing includes mounting, so the work will be done there. Nearly all shops have the device to check output from the TPMS and I'd be surprised if Costco did not. I don't know how familiar the shop is about the relearn procedure but Costco sells a ton of tires, and it would be surprising if they weren't at least a bit familiar with if for the Telluride.

I sent an email to TPMS.com asking what the differences between their TPMS units is and if both required relearning. I'll post the response when I hear back.

 

[byscott]

Thanks @PittPa. The PPMS units your ordered are 433MHz, so that confirms that's what I need.

I'm getting the tires from Costco because they had a good deal on Michelin Ice-X, one of few ice/snow tires with a treadwear warranty. Costco pricing includes mounting, so the work will be done there. Nearly all shops have the device to check output from the TPMS and I'd be surprised if Costco did not. I don't know how familiar the shop is about the relearn procedure but Costco sells a ton of tires, and it would be surprising if they weren't at least a bit familiar with if for the Telluride.

I sent an email to TPMS.com asking what the differences between their TPMS units is and if both required relearning. I'll post the response when I hear back.

I’ll be interested to see what you hear back from TPMS.com … my understanding — perhaps flawed — is that the Telluride TPMS system is self learning. If that’s the case, the only thing that should need to be done is to activate the sensors in the snow tires. New TPMS sensors are typically shipped in an inactive state to preserve battery life. Once they are activated (i.e. once they have started transmitting), a self-learning system should pick them up automatically without the need for further programming.

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[Jasman]

Thanks @PittPa. The PPMS units your ordered are 433MHz, so that confirms that's what I need.

I'm getting the tires from Costco because they had a good deal on Michelin Ice-X, one of few ice/snow tires with a treadwear warranty. Costco pricing includes mounting, so the work will be done there. Nearly all shops have the device to check output from the TPMS and I'd be surprised if Costco did not. I don't know how familiar the shop is about the relearn procedure but Costco sells a ton of tires, and it would be surprising if they weren't at least a bit familiar with if for the Telluride.

I sent an email to TPMS.com asking what the differences between their TPMS units is and if both required relearning. I'll post the response when I hear back.

I’ve also ordered a set of Michelin snow tires from my Costco. They’ll mount on a second set of new “take off” rims (18” EX) I snagged from my local Kia dealer. These will go on my SX. The deal is, they didn’t come with the TPMS units. I was going to go the eBay aftermarket route to save $, but Costco told me they will not install owner supplied 3rd party sensors, only owner supplied OEM sensors. Of course, they said I could opt to purchase the sensors from Costco, but I’m not sure if those would OEM or not and they quoted something like $70 ea. Bottom line, I went ahead and simply ordered a set of the OEM sensors from Kia ($45 ea). Costco will install those and I know they’ll auto-learn and work as Kia designed them to.

 

[PittPa]

I’ve also ordered a set of Michelin snow tires from my Costco. They’ll mount on a second set of new “take off” rims (18” EX) I snagged from my local Kia dealer. These will go on my SX. The deal is, they didn’t come with the TPMS units. I was going to go the eBay aftermarket route to save $, but Costco told me they will not install owner supplied 3rd party sensors, only owner supplied OEM sensors. Of course, they said I could opt to purchase the sensors from Costco, but I’m not sure if those would OEM or not and they quoted something like $70 ea. Bottom line, I went ahead and simply ordered a set of the OEM sensors from Kia ($45 ea). Costco will install those and I know they’ll auto-learn and work as Kia designed them to.

The ones I showed are OE Kia, pre-owned from Ebay not 3rd party. At less than 1/4 of what the quote for new was, it's a huge savings. As far as battery life, these generally don't wear out.

 

[TheNip73]

I’ll be interested to see what you hear back from TPMS.com … my understanding — perhaps flawed — is that the Telluride TPMS system is self learning. If that’s the case, the only thing that should need to be done is to activate the sensors in the snow tires. New TPMS sensors are typically shipped in an inactive state to preserve battery life. Once they are activated (i.e. once they have started transmitting), a self-learning system should pick them up automatically without the need for further programming.

This is correct. Self learning.

Just put on the tires and drive.

This is so much better than having to program sensors with each tire swap… I own a TPMS programmer and put it to use at least 2X/year when I swap snow tires on/off of our other vehicle.

 

[Yossarian]

I’ve also ordered a set of Michelin snow tires from my Costco. They’ll mount on a second set of new “take off” rims (18” EX) I snagged from my local Kia dealer. These will go on my SX. The deal is, they didn’t come with the TPMS units. I was going to go the eBay aftermarket route to save $, but Costco told me they will not install owner supplied 3rd party sensors, only owner supplied OEM sensors. Of course, they said I could opt to purchase the sensors from Costco, but I’m not sure if those would OEM or not and they quoted something like $70 ea. Bottom line, I went ahead and simply ordered a set of the OEM sensors from Kia ($45 ea). Costco will install those and I know they’ll auto-learn and work as Kia designed them to.

I hadn't thought about that and will have to call my local Costco to see if that's their policy. The tire installer is actually a third party contractor for Costco, but may need to adhere to Costco policies. I wonder if they will also refuse to install original Kia sensors that are remanufactured and will have to ask about that as well.

I will be bringing the wheels to Costco to have the snow tires mounted & balanced. I wonder if I can simply mount the TPMS units on the rims beforehand and take so work around that Costco policy.

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[lamduhh]

I just got my 18 Kia wheels mounted with snow tires and used KIA sensors that I picked up from Ebay. I had everything installed at Discount Tire (Highly recommend!) and the tech there held a device next to each sensor to check the function and reading after installation and said all was good. I have yet to place them on my vehicle but was told to come back to the location to have them reset the sensors when the time comes. I should have more information to share as soon as the first snow comes. This is the seller I got them from. I paid $30 Set of 4 Kia Telluride Tire Pressure Sensors TPMS OEM | eBay

i think that is the same guy i got them from on ebay. they worked fine

 

[Jasman]

I hadn't thought about that and will have to call my local Costco to see if that's their policy. The tire installer is actually a third party contractor for Costco, but may need to adhere to Costco policies. I wonder if they will also refuse to install original Kia sensors that are remanufactured and will have to ask about that as well.

I will be bringing the wheels to Costco to have the snow tires mounted & balanced. I wonder if I can simply mount the TPMS units on the rims beforehand and take so work around that Costco policy.

I would think if you provide Costco with your rims having any flavor of TPMS already present they wouldn’t care - they’d have no liability. I like your plan of installing them beforehand.

In terms of the eBay used OEM sensors, I corresponded with that same seller and came away a bit confused with what he said, “These are OEM and are programed from the factory to work with your vehicle; but your vehicle does need to go through a relearn process the store the new sensors ID numbers. this needs to be done with a TPMS tool and with a TPMS tool with OBD interface ..also every time you change your wheels out you’ll have to go through the relearn process.”
I could be completely wrong and these eBay units could work out perfectly fine, but I’m of the understanding the Kia sensors are self learning and don’t require TPMS tools or access to an interface.
Not that I’m made of money, I passed on the eBay sensors and simply went with new, Kia parts department provided OEM sensors $$- it also made working with Costco a non-issue and for the extra $150 I paid over used eBay sensors - FWIW, I’ll sleep better… I’m into the rims and snow tires $1,200 as it.
I’ll probably get back $100 or so for the new take-off 18” Pirellis I’ll be selling, which will help offset new and pricy Kia sensors.
All I can say is, it better snow a lot this season in the Tahoe/Donner area!

 

[Yossarian]

I called my Costco (Christiana, DE) and was told that they will not install any TPMS except those purchased from them. They will mount and balance the tires if the wheel already has a TPMS however.

I asked them what TPMS they use and what the cost would be. They use the VDO Redi-Sensor, which is one I've used before on my Volvo with no issues. Their price was $50 per, so I'm just going to let them do the whole job. I think the price is reasonable given that the VDO units are about $38 each anyway. Another benefit to letting them do the complete job is that it will mean everything will be covered by the Costco warranty.

 

[PittPa]

Sounds like I need to drink the Costco KOOL-AID

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[PittPa]

HAHA actually love Costco. I used Discount Tire for my winter tires, they were great also

 

[larrythesimpleton]

This is correct. Self learning.

Just put on the tires and drive.

This is so much better than having to program sensors with each tire swap… I own a TPMS programmer and put it to use at least 2X/year when I swap snow tires on/off of our other vehicle.

Can you tell me which TPMS sensors are "self learning"? Do you have a part number? I just need to buy a set of 4 of them, install them and then air up the tires and they start working with my 2021 telluride automagically?

I'd also like to purchase another set of snowtires and rims and would really like another set of functioning TPMS sensors so all I have to do every year is jack up each corner of the car and swap the wheels/tires out and everything works well. I'd like to avoid going to the tire shop more than once (to mount/balance the snow tires), if possible.

 

[TheNip73]

Can you tell me which TPMS sensors are "self learning"? Do you have a part number? I just need to buy a set of 4 of them, install them and then air up the tires and they start working with my 2021 telluride automagically?

I'd also like to purchase another set of snowtires and rims and would really like another set of functioning TPMS sensors so all I have to do every year is jack up each corner of the car and swap the wheels/tires out and everything works well. I'd like to avoid going to the tire shop more than once (to mount/balance the snow tires), if possible.

Any kia parts online website will let you search by vehicle to identify what to order. Part numbers can change over time. Or just drop by your dealer and buy.

 

[Jasman]

I thought this pic of OEM Kia TPMS sensors that I picked up at my local Kia dealer, in the box, may be of help. These will be installed on the 18” take-off rims I purchased from the same dealer. Costco will do the work when they mount the snow tires I purchased from them. They wouldn’t mount used or non-OEM sensors.

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[PittPa]

finally got the snow tires mounted with the used sensors. Drove the car and in a few miles all the pressures are up and good.

 

[Jasman]

finally got the snow tires mounted with the used sensors. Drove the car and in a few miles all the pressures are up and good.

That’s great to hear it went so well! How about a pic or two on your winter setup?

 

[PittPa]

That’s great to hear it went so well! How about a pic or two on your winter setup?

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