2023 Kia Telluride Discussion

[ELCapiTRAN]

If they had a digital cluster that could move up and down with the steering wheel, I'd be impressed. As it is now, it's always blocked by the way I like to have my steering wheel so a digital cluster wouldn't move the needle for me. It definitely looks cool

 

[kashjuni]

One thing I am confident is that Telluride in 2023MY is getting a minor update - The scope of minor upgrades include front grills, exterior lights (front and back), bumpers, interior dash, console etc. and some very minor tech upgrades (just for e.g. fast wireless charging 5W > 15W). From the spyshots, I can tell you the dash is going digital. We already know the front lights are changing for 2023.

The reason I say with confidence that the dash is going digital is coz it is 100% going that way on Palisade 2023MY (4.3inch + 12.3inch for base trim while 12.3inch+12.3inch for higher trims). Don't ask me how I know, but I just know.

2023 Telluride will not hit the market before Q3 2022. I have already 2022 Telluride SX on the way for July delivery, but I think i'll place an order for 2023 very soon and trade the 2022 in. I just love the digital display and I know it is coming for 2023 Telluride. Thank me later!

 

[gettinlm]

One thing I am confident is that Telluride in 2023MY is getting a minor update - The scope of minor upgrades include front grills, exterior lights (front and back), bumpers, interior dash, console etc. and some very minor tech upgrades (just for e.g. fast wireless charging 5W > 15W). From the spyshots, I can tell you the dash is going digital. We already know the front lights are changing for 2023.

The reason I say with confidence that the dash is going digital is coz it is 100% going that way on Palisade 2023MY (4.3inch + 12.3inch for base trim while 12.3inch+12.3inch for higher trims). Don't ask me how I know, but I just know.

2023 Telluride will not hit the market before Q3 2022. I have already 2022 Telluride SX on the way for July delivery, but I think i'll place an order for 2023 very soon and trade the 2022 in. I just love the digital display and I know it is coming for 2023 Telluride. Thank me later!

Hasn’t the dash in the Palisade been digital all along (at least on higher trims)?

 

[kashjuni]

Hasn’t the dash in the Palisade been digital all along (at least on higher trims)?

It was never 12.3 inch. Plus mid trim also gets a digital dash for 2023.

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[Hangfire]

It was never 12.3 inch. Plus mid trim also gets a digital dash for 2023.

Also, it's my understanding that both screens, cluster and infotainment, will be 12.3.

 

[gettinlm]

It was never 12.3 inch. Plus mid trim also gets a digital dash for 2023.

The gauge cluster was 12.3 inch, at least since the 2021 model.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'm hoping the Telly gets the two 12-inch screens but keeps them separate (keeping the infotainment as a separate, tablet-style setup in the center). While the all-one panel looks cool and futuristic, I love the way the tablet-style-layout adds to the simple and rugged styling of the Telluride.

 

[thechief16]

The gauge cluster was 12.3 inch, at least since the 2021 model.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'm hoping the Telly gets the two 12-inch screens but keeps them separate (keeping the infotainment as a separate, tablet-style setup in the center). While the all-one panel looks cool and futuristic, I love the way the tablet-style-layout adds to the simple and rugged styling of the Telluride.

I'll buy that, but they need to scrap the huge bezel on the infotainment (though you might argue that the bezel is what gives it the "ruggedness").

 

[sandbox]

No mention of PHEV which is what I really want.

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[gettinlm]

I'll buy that, but they need to scrap the huge bezel on the infotainment (though you might argue that the bezel is what gives it the "ruggedness").

No, I agree- cut down on the bezel. Makes it look cheaper.

 

[2020Telly]

No mention of PHEV which is what I really want.

Plug in hybrid would be nice but I’m doubtful it will happen. The push is full electric. Hyundai was rumored to cut down their combustion engine development group and it sounds like Genesis is going all electric options for their future large SUVs. I think the future of Kia will also go right to the E-GMP platform. The space and complexity that even a small gas powered engine adds can easily be replaced with more space for bigger and better batteries that can charge faster to feed motors that have more power.

The Telluride shares an HMG engine with the Palisade currently in the Lambda II 3.8L (G6DN) naturally aspirated v6. If the rumors of Hyundai cutting down on development of combustion engines are true and Hyundai goes full electric, then Kia may have to up size the Smartstream G1.6 T-GDi Hybrid that they use on the existing PHEVs (Sorento PHEV) on their own in order to offer an option on a vehicle the size of the Telluride.

 

[Esto70]

I looked at the plug in hybrid sorrentos a little. For a daily driver, I decided that a plug in hybrid was not the best choice for me. I like the idea, but I don’t want to have to mess around with getting gas AND plugging in my vehicle. I’d rather go traditional hybrid or go all electric.

 

[2020Telly]

I looked at the plug in hybrid sorrentos a little. For a daily driver, I decided that a plug in hybrid was not the best choice for me. I like the idea, but I don’t want to have to mess around with getting gas AND plugging in my vehicle. I’d rather go traditional hybrid or go all electric.

I would agree. I think plugin hybrids were a good transitional option. But as fast as full EV options are coming and innovating I can’t see PHEV making sense for the masses any more.

I'm looking at a solar panel system to add to my home. The system I'm looking at offers a solar EV fast charger option that charges faster than current level 2 EV home chargers by using grid and/or solar based power. I don't have an EV yet, but probably within the next 3 years, when I have another driver in the house, I'll be shopping for what will likely be an EV. Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 5 have bidirectional charging (not enabled on a Tesla). That means I could potentially use an EV parked in my garage on a schedule to offset my electric bill as a battery backup to the solar panels and replace the need for a generator if I ever lose power. Basically looking at using the panels on an automated schedule to charge an EV in the morning and during the day as well as run my house, then at night my house would run off the EV when the power company rates are higher during peak hours up to 9pm. Any excess I can just bank with the power company for times of year when I don't get enough sun. Dual tasking EV batteries as a solar power bank is much cheaper than a Tesla Powerwall and I don't think a PHEV would have enough battery nor support bidirectional for this option. The fact that today you can get to an 80% charge in 18 minutes on a Kia EV6 (25% faster with a solar boost option) that will only get better. Charge times today are acceptable to me while I'm getting ready and eating breakfast as opposed to finding a gas station and pulling over on my commute. The Ioniq 5 has an onboard charger and Kia offers complimentary charging options instead on the EV6. I think the options to plugin and charge quickly will eventually be as easy as charging your phone for a few minutes so I'm not worried about getting stranded.

For a long time the knock on full EVs is that we don't have the infrastructure in the powergrid and it would require power that depends on fuel, natural gas, or nuclear, so the economic and environmental benefits weren't there. But I think the transformation is happening where consumers will start seeing a difference in the messaging. The new terminology is called Vehicle-to-Load (V2L), Vehicle-to-Building (V2B), and Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G). The Kia EV6 and Ioniq 5 can both do V2L to power appliances directly, but Hyundai has already demonstrated V2G. With a proper home charger and inverter, and EV that has bidirectional power EVs help by contributing to a home or local grid. California announced that in 13 years you won't be able to buy a new combustion engine and that state accounts for the nation's largest GDP and the automotive industry is directly connected to GDP. So if that's the case car dealers and manufacturers are going to have to scramble to position themselves as an EV brand. Today you can get federal and state incentives for buying an EV as well as federal tax credits for a solar system. If you were shopping for a gas powered home generator system you would be looking at a system that could be as much as $6K installed. Plus my power usage rates have bumped up by at least 10-13% year over year and I don't see that dropping. The shortage of EVs is going to drive the prices to a premium. But as more models go full EV the prices will become more reasonable because it is cheaper to build and maintain an EV than a internal combustion engine powered vehicle.

The PHEV was a good option for a while, that some companies capitalized on. But it seems like every day I'm hearing some new announcement about another major auto manufacturer announcing a deadline for themselves to go full electric. I have to say that if the EV9 were in dealerships today, I would be really tempted for the right price and I would be paying homage to the Telluride.

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[Tortuga07]

From a two car family perspective, I think a having one EV and one ICE is a better transition than having two PHEVs.

 

[ELCapiTRAN]

PHEVs i feel are a niche product. I really wanted one because I could use all electric to commute and charge up in the parking garage. In a sense, I could go all week w/o having to pay for electricity and not touch the fuel from the tank. If your scenario is similar to that, then a PHEV is the perfect car for you. In more normal usage, you'll now have to maintain two different fuel systems. Electricity and gas. Granted gas shouldn't be that often at all but EV would have to be basically everyday. I have a few friends who had PHEVs and they just got lazy and didn't charge up the car and ran off purely gas. That means they are missing out on the advantages of having a PHEV. Better fuel efficiency and better power than a hybrid. I thought about the PHEV Sorento but ultimately chose the telluride due to size and slightly quicker acceleration. I didn't want to be too far off from our other car.

 

[2020Telly]

PHEVs i feel are a niche product. I really wanted one because I could use all electric to commute and charge up in the parking garage. In a sense, I could go all week w/o having to pay for electricity and not touch the fuel from the tank. If your scenario is similar to that, then a PHEV is the perfect car for you. In more normal usage, you'll now have to maintain two different fuel systems. Electricity and gas. Granted gas shouldn't be that often at all but EV would have to be basically everyday. I have a few friends who had PHEVs and they just got lazy and didn't charge up the car and ran off purely gas. That means they are missing out on the advantages of having a PHEV. Better fuel efficiency and better power than a hybrid. I thought about the PHEV Sorento but ultimately chose the telluride due to size and slightly quicker acceleration. I didn't want to be too far off from our other car.

That's why I think it was a transitional technology that filled a need as we were still mainly an internal combustion market and EVs were still the future. But as EVs become more mainstream it makes more sense that most families would have one ICE and one EV. I think about people with one car who live in an apartment or don't have a garage/carport. It might be more complicated to charge at home. But most homes with a garage will just see plugging in the EV like a normal thing like plugging in your phone to charge.

 

[ELCapiTRAN]

That's why I think it was a transitional technology that filled a need as we were still mainly an internal combustion market and EVs were still the future. But as EVs become more mainstream it makes more sense that most families would have one ICE and one EV. I think about people with one car who live in an apartment or don't have a garage/carport. It might be more complicated to charge at home. But most homes with a garage will just see plugging in the EV like a normal thing like plugging in your phone to charge.

I agree that it was meant to be transitional. In some ways it's the best of both worlds but I believe PHEVs could use a little more battery and little less gas. That should boost performance a little so that the PHEVs could be more in line with their ICE counterparts. I like the Volvo PHEVs but it's a bit scary knowing there is so much tech in there. A turbo, supercharged engine with a battery. It just seems to be a bit of repair nightmare. I almost pulled the trigger on a s60 recharge but opted for the telluride because we needed the extra seats. Damn me for caring about family hahaha.

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[2020Telly]

I agree that it was meant to be transitional. In some ways it's the best of both worlds but I believe PHEVs could use a little more battery and little less gas. That should boost performance a little so that the PHEVs could be more in line with their ICE counterparts. I like the Volvo PHEVs but it's a bit scary knowing there is so much tech in there. A turbo, supercharged engine with a battery. It just seems to be a bit of repair nightmare. I almost pulled the trigger on a s60 recharge but opted for the telluride because we needed the extra seats. Damn me for caring about family hahaha.

And that's the problem. The gas powered turbo engine is still more complicated and costly to maintain as opposed to just making room for more battery capacity that can give you the same or more power with less headaches.

 

[sandbox]

I would agree. I think plugin hybrids were a good transitional option. But as fast as full EV options are coming and innovating I can’t see PHEV making sense for the masses any more.

Depends on where you live. Out here in the west, it would be a pain trying to line up charging stations to get anywhere. My mother lives 4 hours away. We vacation frequently about 4-5 hours away. All of these places are fairly remote. The infrastructure just isn’t here yet. And neither is the technology. I don’t want to wait in line and then have to spend another hour charging. (Lines are horrible at the far and few in between charging stations).

For our normal day to day mileage, we’re under 30. So a PHEV makes perfect sense for my family.

Now, if you were to add a second vehicle, I would go EV for sure.

 

[2020Telly]

Depends on where you live. Out here in the west, it would be a pain trying to line up charging stations to get anywhere. My mother lives 4 hours away. We vacation frequently about 4-5 hours away. All of these places are fairly remote. The infrastructure just isn’t here yet. And neither is the technology. I don’t want to wait in line and then have to spend another hour charging. (Lines are horrible at the far and few in between charging stations).

For our normal day to day mileage, we’re under 30. So a PHEV makes perfect sense for my family.

Now, if you were to add a second vehicle, I would go EV for sure.

That’s what is meant by transitional technology. It works in some areas until the infrastructure is in place. In other areas they are ready.

 

[voxel]

1) I don’t know any PHEVs that can DC fast charge so lining up is not an issue. You charge at home, work, or 3-4 hours at a hotel, mall, etc.

2) I owned a RAV4 Prime the thing I loved most about it wasn’t the efficiency. It was the smoothness and shear power of 302hp when the electric motor and gas engine worked together. At low speeds it favored the rear and front electric motors and at highway speed I have tons of power too. Passing is a non issue. The Telly in my test drive was just meh. I’m buying it for cargo space but if there was a PHEV in the same size I’d buy that instantly.

3) PHEVs are often mechanically simpler. At least with the Prime, AWD is gas engine in front (with two small electric motors) and electric only in the rear. There’s no reverse gear either. Reverse is 100% electric. Gas engine is tuned to run optimally for usage 25mph or higher. No starter nor alternator either. Electrically they are more complex for sure.