2021Telluride SX vs 2020 Explorer limited

[Kwim]

Hi, Everybody.

Kia is getting more expensive, the explorer is getting cheaper.
I deposited today, returning the deposit for the Explorer Limited 2.3 Ecoboost. Telluride SX will land soon. Since I keep the car for no more than 2 years (about 30k km) and change it to a new one.

I would like to hear your advice? What you thinks about?

Kia will cost me $ 57 more a month.
+ 500 bucks on the go to install a hitch.

as an option, i still think I can take an explorer SR 3.0 hybrid, but in this case the kia will turn out a little more expensive. What do you think?

 

[Tobstertx3]

Telluride all day long!

 

[Familyman20]

Didnt think this was even up for debate. Lol
2021 Exploders are going to have cheaper msrp's if you have time wait for one of those. Gonna be hard pressed to have anyone on a Telluride forum to tell you go for the Ford.

 

[Andrew T]

I test drove a couple of Explorers, a Limited and an ST. Apart from the acceleration of the ST, I wasn't impressed. The interior was not nearly as refined, the engine was whiny in the Limited and too loud for a family car in the ST. And, the thing that was the deal breaker for me was the transmission. The shifts were really rough in both models, both up and down. I test drove a Telluride over a year ago, so I hope that I remember it accurately, but my 2012 Optima still shifts smoother than the brand new Explorers, so I went ahead and ordered the Telluride.

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[SVoigt]

Hi, Everybody.

Kia is getting more expensive, the explorer is getting cheaper.
I deposited today, returning the deposit for the Explorer Limited 2.3 Ecoboost. Telluride SX will land soon. Since I keep the car for no more than 2 years (about 30k km) and change it to a new one.

I would like to hear your advice? What you thinks about?

Kia will cost me $ 57 more a month.
+ 500 bucks on the go to install a hitch.

as an option, i still think I can take an explorer SR 3.0 hybrid, but in this case the kia will turn out a little more expensive. What do you think?

After having to drive Explorers for work I would NEVER buy one unless they completely redid the inside to be more like the KIA. KIA wins hands down in comfort and functionality.

 

[Kwim]

Today I took a whole day to test 2.3. In general, not worse than the Korean car industry, the automatic transmission works as well. But the build quality is 《quiet horror 》. The glue hangs in many places, the gaps are not even, the plastic is normal by the way. A car with a range of 7 km, the headliner has fingerprints, it was installed with dirty hands during the trip. The edges are not just cut with a knife, but as if they were sawed or bitten.

 

[Familyman20]

Today I took a whole day to test 2.3. In general, not worse than the Korean car industry, the automatic transmission works as well. But the build quality is 《quiet horror 》. The glue hangs in many places, the gaps are not even, the plastic is normal by the way. A car with a range of 7 km, the headliner has fingerprints, it was installed with dirty hands during the trip. The edges are not just cut with a knife, but as if they were sawed or bitten.

I feel like I've seen this review on motorbiscuit before!

 

[Wee]

Hi, Everybody.

Kia is getting more expensive, the explorer is getting cheaper.
I deposited today, returning the deposit for the Explorer Limited 2.3 Ecoboost. Telluride SX will land soon. Since I keep the car for no more than 2 years (about 30k km) and change it to a new one.

I would like to hear your advice? What you thinks about?

Kia will cost me $ 57 more a month.
+ 500 bucks on the go to install a hitch.

as an option, i still think I can take an explorer SR 3.0 hybrid, but in this case the kia will turn out a little more expensive. What do you think?

If you can afford to buy a new car every two years you should not be factoring in the cost. You're pissing away thousands of dollars no matter how you slice it.

All things considered the Telluride wipes the floor compared to Explorer. Unless you buy the ST and want to go fast all the time.

But again you're talking about getting rid of a new car every two years, finances don't matter.

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[TellTastic]

Today I took a whole day to test 2.3. In general, not worse than the Korean car industry, the automatic transmission works as well. But the build quality is 《quiet horror 》. The glue hangs in many places, the gaps are not even, the plastic is normal by the way. A car with a range of 7 km, the headliner has fingerprints, it was installed with dirty hands during the trip. The edges are not just cut with a knife, but as if they were sawed or bitten.

I guess I don't understand your question. This post ^ seems like you answered your own question. You're comparing a base 2.3L explorer to top trim 3.8L telluride. Price points aside, these are different vehicles. Once you include price point, you could get an S for the same cost as you could an XLT. Open your wallet a little more and you're at an EX before you even get to a Ltd. Ok, ok, Ford is offering incentives. Not Kia's fault that Ford mass produced their hot selling SUV during a pandemic. Take the incentives into consideration and your're STILL comparing a Ltd to an EX, MAYBE a sport to an SX. Either way, I'm not understanding this debate, especially when your signature says that you ordered an SX in April.

 

[bruesjoh04]

You're comparing a base 2.3L explorer to top trim 3.8L telluride.

He’s actually comparing the 2.3L Explorer Limited to the top Telluride. Which technically makes sense considering they sticker for over $50,000 with AWD.

Really the only advantage for the Explorer that I can see is that dealers are going to be much more willing to discount. Good luck getting sticker price on a Telluride, much less a discount.

But regardless of the amazing price you could get on an Explorer, you would still be stuck with its subpar interior. For me, that would be a tough thing to live with.

 

[TellTastic]

He’s actually comparing the 2.3L Explorer Limited to the top Telluride. Which technically makes sense considering they sticker for over $50,000 with AWD.

Thank you for the feedback. I know little about the Explorer or the engine combination.

 

[Kwim]

If you can afford to buy a new car every two years you should not be factoring in the cost. You're pissing away thousands of dollars no matter how you slice it.

But again you're talking about getting rid of a new car every two years, finances don't matter.

I do not agree with you, but I change every 2 years and it is not expensive. the car will cost me 500-650 bucks a month, it is cheaper than leasing the base trim, although I take medium or top trim.

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[Kwim]

I guess I don't understand your question. This post ^ seems like you answered your own question. You're comparing a base 2.3L explorer to top trim 3.8L telluride. Price points aside, these are different vehicles. Once you include price point, you could get an S for the same cost as you could an XLT. Open your wallet a little more and you're at an EX before you even get to a Ltd. Ok, ok, Ford is offering incentives. Not Kia's fault that Ford mass produced their hot selling SUV during a pandemic. Take the incentives into consideration and your're STILL comparing a Ltd to an EX, MAYBE a sport to an SX. Either way, I'm not understanding this debate, especially when your signature says that you ordered an SX in April.

He’s actually comparing the 2.3L Explorer Limited to the top Telluride. Which technically makes sense considering they sticker for over $50,000 with AWD.

Really the only advantage for the Explorer that I can see is that dealers are going to be much more willing to discount. Good luck getting sticker price on a Telluride, much less a discount.

But regardless of the amazing price you could get on an Explorer, you would still be stuck with its subpar interior. For me, that would be a tough thing to live with.

Yes, I ordered telluride and I'm waiting for it.
The car is now at sea.
Land at the dealer soon.
Taking into account the fact that Kia changes the price of +1800 bucks and + 1% financing, the attractiveness of telluride drops significantly. Well, a Korean doesn't cost so much, it doesn't.
The niche of Koreans is high-quality, pseudo-luxurious, cheap consumer goods.
And then the competitors start giving incentives, so I look around.
The finances explorer turns out to be much more attractive, the filling is not worse, the exterior is very different for me, but the interior is terrible (I agree with many). Therefore, while I continue to watch, choose.

 

[GreekWiz]

Therefore, while I continue to watch, choose.

I think you are just tired of waiting, you have waffled around in your head so much lately, I don't even think you know what you want anymore and neither is probably something you will be content with..

My advice, it will be here soon, have patience and enjoy the Telly.

In the end if you want to save money and then always wonder "what if", go with the Ford, if you don't care about a few bucks and want to get what you have been waiting for since April, wait a little longer.

I personally knew what i wanted, ordered it, and in the end probably will pay about $4000-$6000 more than my budget of last year (that i would have spend blacking it out with a chrome delete and new rims anyways), because honestly, YOLO, (and it's a 50th birthday gift from my wife and to myself), and I plan on keeping it about 15 years (my current vehicle turns 20 years old, from new, and have 149,000kms on it).

I barely drive 7000 kms a year anymore, but I just want to do it in a Telly that I "factory ordered"...I wanted heated seats, and steering wheel, and other fancy stuff I have never had in my Jeep. I feel I deserve to treat myself. I have only bought 3 new vehicles in my life before this (2 of those for my wife), so to me that's kinda cool waiting for one as opposed to buying one off the lot you might wish something was different (color, trim, interior). The one I ordered is exactly what i wanted. I did not want the Nappa, but wanted the Limited, so the Blackline this year worked out perfectly for me.

This is probably the second last vehicle for me in my lifetime, I turned 50 recently, so if I keep this one 15 years and the next one 15 years, I will be 80 if I make it. Worst case, this is my 3rd last vehicle if I keep each 10 years (unless something bad happens). I only realized a couple of days ago, when I was taking my 20 year old jeep for the last Highway drive with it, this will only be my 6th vehicle I have ever had (in my name). I have friends change vehicles yearly or less.

I realize I am in a HUGE minority, most people change vehicles a lot, I come from an upbringing of taking care of your vehicles (things in general) and keeping them as long as you can I guess.

Bottom line, only you can make the decision you are asking.

You know you want the Telly, otherwise you would not have 164 posts here. You are just having Wedding day jitters. Stay the course. IMO.

Good Luck with your decision.

 

[TellTastic]

I do not agree with you, but I change every 2 years and it is not expensive. the car will cost me 500-650 bucks a month, it is cheaper than leasing the base trim, although I take medium or top trim.

Long term, it costs more to hope in and out of cars every 2 years.

 

[Wee]

I do not agree with you, but I change every 2 years and it is not expensive. the car will cost me 500-650 bucks a month, it is cheaper than leasing the base trim, although I take medium or top trim.

I would love to know over the past 10 years what you paid for each vehicle and what you sold each one for 2-3 years after purchase.

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[Kwim]

Long term, it costs more to hope in and out of cars every 2 years.

Not at all.

I would love to know over the past 10 years what you paid for each vehicle and what you sold each one for 2-3 years after purchase.

If you keep it up to 2 years and 30k, then the car can sell well.
For 10 years I don't even remember, and I haven't lived in Canada yet, here are the numbers from 2014:
1 - 2014 Santa fe Sport luxury: bought 37500, sold 27000, mileage 28000 km, used 18 months, per month - 583.
2 - 2017 Santa Fe sport luxury: bought 39000, sold 33500, mileage 17000 km, used 8 months, 687 per month.
3 - 2017 Kia Sedona SXL: bought 45,000, sold 36,300, mileage 31,000 km, used 18 months, 472 per month.
4 - 2019 Kia Sedona SXL: bought 46,000, sold 36,000, mileage 30,000 km, used 21 months today, 476 a month.

 

[TellTastic]

@Kwim , you seem kind the perfect candidate to lease a vehicle. You purchase brand new vehicles every 2-3 years and keep the mileage low. Can you explain why you buy instead of lease?

What I see from your math is that, over the course of 6-7 years, you ate nearly ~$40,000 in depreciated costs by buying these vehicles.
I’ll be gracious and use 7yrs, that’s $6 a year just to drive your vehicle.

I just used kbb to give me basic data on a 2014 Santa Fe sport - not all of it is correct, but assuming that vehicle’s trade in is roughly $12k right now, the depreciated value would be $37500-$12k, which yields $25500.

If you had owned just that vehicle over the course of the same length of time, your depreciated costs ( I.e, how much money fell out of your wallet when you turned it upside down for 4 brand new cars) would be $25500 vs $40000

So yes,

Long term, it costs more to hope in and out of cars every 2 years.

Prove me wrong.
(I’m genuinely interested. Seriously)

 

[Wee]

Not at all.

If you keep it up to 2 years and 30k, then the car can sell well.
For 10 years I don't even remember, and I haven't lived in Canada yet, here are the numbers from 2014:
1 - 2014 Santa fe Sport luxury: bought 37500, sold 27000, mileage 28000 km, used 18 months, per month - 583.
2 - 2017 Santa Fe sport luxury: bought 39000, sold 33500, mileage 17000 km, used 8 months, 687 per month.
3 - 2017 Kia Sedona SXL: bought 45,000, sold 36,300, mileage 31,000 km, used 18 months, 472 per month.
4 - 2019 Kia Sedona SXL: bought 46,000, sold 36,000, mileage 30,000 km, used 21 months today, 476 a month.

are those "bought" figures including taxes? or just the sales price of the vehicle.

 

[Kwim]

are those "bought" figures including taxes? or just the sales price of the vehicle.

Tax included.