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Any downside to ceramic - other than cost?

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YAH DEF

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I'm not really a "car person" and I only heard about this ceramic thing on this forum. I've always had a fairly practical relationship with my cars (pretty much all Hondas) until getting my Telluride. Now, I find myself wanting to have a more sparkly vehicle. Plus, on a daily basis I drive country roads and my car gets pretty dirty pretty fast. I would love for that dirt to adhere a bit less stickily to my car. I'll likely keep using a touchless car wash every few fill ups.

I know this isn't a Telluride question per se. But this is the only car forum I have joined. Without getting super technical, is ceramic a good option? Is it worth the cost? Is there a better alternative? Note: I won't ever get into a schedule of home washings and polishing myself. Just not that person.
 
It really depends on what your expectation of the product is. The product will last as long as it is maintained per the product applied. Even the advertised lifetime coating will not last that long without taking care of the coating. While not as bad as machine wash, touchless wash still uses harsh chemicals, which will wear down the coating. Hand wash and topper coating is highly recommended with any product. If you think of ceramic coating as more durable wax and treat it as such, you won't be disappointed. As for washing the dirt off, regular garden hose does a wonderful job.
One other thing, do not expect coating to bring out the shine. It is a protectant. Color correction before coating is where they bring out the shine. Professionally done, you are looking at anywhere from $700~$1500.
Spray ceramic(graphene) coating is a cheap alternative you can look into. It is far less durable, but you just need to spray the product after your wash and wipe the car dry. Doing this will make your car shine much longer than just going through the wash.
 
It really depends on what your expectation of the product is. The product will last as long as it is maintained per the product applied. Even the advertised lifetime coating will not last that long without taking care of the coating. While not as bad as machine wash, touchless wash still uses harsh chemicals, which will wear down the coating. Hand wash and topper coating is highly recommended with any product. If you think of ceramic coating as more durable wax and treat it as such, you won't be disappointed. As for washing the dirt off, regular garden hose does a wonderful job.
One other thing, do not expect coating to bring out the shine. It is a protectant. Color correction before coating is where they bring out the shine. Professionally done, you are looking at anywhere from $700~$1500.
Spray ceramic(graphene) coating is a cheap alternative you can look into. It is far less durable, but you just need to spray the product after your wash and wipe the car dry. Doing this will make your car shine much longer than just going through the wash.
Hey, this is really helpful. Thanks. It's winter where I live, so the hose is put away from about November-March to protect against freezing. So hosing the car down for about a third of the year isn't really an option, unless I go to some self-serve place. And I likely won't.

The place I am looking at does colour correction before the coating. They offer a five-year guarantee with a touch up every year.

Hmmm. Thinking about it all. Thanks for the info.
 
It's true, if you want your $1k investment to last, hand washing is a must. Even if what you do is go to the hand car wash with your own bucket of pH neutral car wash soap, then hand dry with microfiber towels. Otherwise the harsh chemicals of the automated car wash will wear it our prematurely. There are some that have the extra cash to do it more often, but sadly, I don't ;)
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I live in a cold-winter climate also, and I went for ceramic. Here's the way to look at it. If you plan to keep the vehicle a long time and want it to look nice all the way through, then taking care of the finish is important. One way to do that is to get it detailed (with wax) frequently. Another way to do that is with ceramic. (I'll skip the discussion of PPF but that's also an important additional option). Think of ceramic as the same purpose as wax, but more durable. The car will stay cleaner longer with a ceramic coating. Now, if you do go with ceramic, it's important to AVOID car washes that use any kind of brush that will touch the car. Those are bad for any finish, but they also degrade the expected lifespan of ceramic. You'll need to either 1) hand wash it yourself (which is easy with ceramic, in nice weather), or 2) go to a touchless car wash (which is what I do in the winter). If that's too much of a hassle and you think you'll end up just taking it through regular car washes, then don't bother spending money on ceramic. You'll just rub it off quickly and you'd be better off spending the same money on periodic detailing. If you can find a nearby touchless car wash for the winter, and get a simple hand wash routine in the summer, you'll love the look that ceramic gives you. Hope that helps.
 
It's true, if you want your $1k investment to last, hand washing is a must. Even if what you do is go to the hand car wash with your own bucket of pH neutral car wash soap, then hand dry with microfiber towels. Otherwise the harsh chemicals of the automated car wash will wear it our prematurely. There are some that have the extra cash to do it more often, but sadly, I don't ;)
I would like it to last the full five years.... I'll talk to the ceramic guy about washing. I'm really just not going to hand wash it. I know this about myself!
 
Ceramic coating help product the vehicle’s paint longer and better than a normal wax or sealant. This doesn’t mean that you do not have wash it less often. The cost alone is keeping me away from getting it professionally applied . I would attempt to do it myself one day, but for now I will stick with the spray coatings.
 
Ceramic coating help product the vehicle’s paint longer and better than a normal wax or sealant. This doesn’t mean that you do not have wash it less often. The cost alone is keeping me away from getting it professionally applied . I would attempt to do it myself one day, but for now I will stick with the spray coatings.
As long as people understand the limitation of the spray product, which you seem to have, latest spray coatings will do it's job. Even if you take it through touchless(while not recommended), spray it after and wipe dry is all you need to maintain it. I hate it when people buy the professional product/services thinking they will be covered by some impenetrable barrier and never have to wash the car.
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^+1 to what @Lith_SXPN just said - if you understand what you are buying then go and ahead and make the investment.

Biggest benefits are truly the hydrophobic properties which basically mean drying your vehicle off after a good wash is super easy as the water beads off. If you wash your own vehicles without a ceramic coating it takes FOREVER to dry off the vehicle.

This investment basically gives you time back during the drying process along with some UV protection.
 
Paint / detailing OCD nut here with several past coated cars, I'll chime in.

Mostly good points by everyone in here, but there is a missing ingredient here that is really the best protector of the paint: PPF (paint protection film, if you must you can call it a clear bra...). PPF is really the best to protect the paint from the main culprits of damage, rock chips, iron fallout, and keying / scratching. PPF isn't cheap when done on full panels, which is really recommended to avoid unsightly lines in the panel from film to metal, and then a nightmare appearance when you remove the film where you have one part of the panel protected for years and essentially virgin, and one part that's been exposed to the elements.

For the best results for appearance, protection, and longevity, the order of operations should always be:
1) Paint correction (wet sanding, polishing, compounding as necessary)
2) PPF on full panels and leading edges (bumper, hood, side mirrors, leading edge of roof, sill plate on the rear hatch, etc.
3) ceramic coating on both the corrected paint and on the PPF.

Obviously, that's going to cost a lot. My WG is going under the knife in 2 weeks, and it's going to be about $2,500 for a 1-step correction, full front clip PPF, and FeynLab 5-year ceramic coating. I've had multiple coated cars (see the dad toys in my sig), and as @JerseySXP mentioned above, going back to a non-coated car is a nightmare; how did we ever live like this?! To me, it is worth it to have protection + great finish + ease of maintenance.

Coatings: Everyone is generally right on the properties you can expect. That starts with the prep work before it is coated; the coating won't fix scratches and swirls, in fact it highlights them by putting a nice gloss cover over them, which is then hard to correct in the future as you or your detailer needs to now mow down through the ceramic layers to even get to the scratch. Prep, prep, prep. If you coat a turd, it's going to be a glossy, hydrophobic turd when you're done.

Coating Maintenance: Listen to your detailer or read up on whatever brand of wash / maintenance products and the routine your coating company recommends. pH neutral soaps, coating-specific detail sprays, fresh, clean MICROFIBER towels only, 2-bucket method hand-wash ONLY, etc. You can spend all the money you want on the above steps, but if you use AutoZone wash / wax soap and a dirty microfiber towel or automatic wash stations, you're going to wear down the coating, and end up with a hazy, swirly mess. a properly corrected / coated car will require less full washing, and washing will be a breeze, but it will require a very specific wash method to keep the paint and coating looking perfect. Lastly, you will need a yearly maintenance wash or coating from your detailer which is essentially like a yearly dental cleanup where they will apply another top coat of ceramic coating to keep building layers up.

Here’s a few pics of my old 2014 Chevy SS, which had the most corrections needed, but had the best end result of my coated toys in the past. You can see what a 1/2 clear bra does when you take it off, took 30 hrs of sanding on the hood alone. This was about 80hrs of correction and coating on this one but the results speak for itself. Looked like this for three years before I got rid of it. This is what your paint should look like before you coat it otherwise you’re just trapping and highlighting imperfections. Unless you just want an easy car wash and want the hydrophobic water beading.

Also sorry if they are out of order, mobile version of this site is pretty meh. Pic #7 (before) and #4 (after) show the biggest difference after the correction and coating to get that 1/2 wrap line out of the paint. Either do a full panel or none, 1/2 wraps are the worst.
 

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^+1 on the above. Prep prep prep - most important part. Very easy to do IF you go straight from the dealer to the detailer. Makes their life a lot easier. The first three nights I didn't have my baby with me was absolutely terrible but it was well worth it.

I got exactly what @Wolf27 mentioned for ~2k - get XPEL ULTIMATE for the PPF if possible. Most detailers call it a "highway" package - Full front, partial hood, partial fenders and mirrors.

IGL Kenzo was the ceramic coat I got and it's heavenly. Beauty of this is that they only recommend a once yearly application of EcoCoat Premier for maintenance which is spray on and I can easily handle that.

If I got the entire car PPF'd it would cost nearly 9k. The package that we are stating is the next best thing you can get for very good protection.

I just washed my car...the water just beads right off leaving a beautiful finish - believe it or not this was touchless. I did not use any mits or microfibers.

Just power wash, foam cannon, and blower.IMG_20201211_153457.webpInkedIMG_20201211_142448_LI.webpIMG_20201211_153252.webp
 
Boy, ya'll are hardcore! I'm appreciative of everyone's input. Thing is, I've never done anything special to any of my cars, so just doing the paint correction and ceramic would be a huge upgrade for me. As I said, I'm not going to be hand washing my car. At least, hardly at all. So I'm really just curious about laying out about $1300 CAD (about $1000 USD) for paint correction and ceramic coating with a five year guarantee and annual corrections as part of the service. I figure it's got to be better than doing nothing. I'm attracted to the hydrophobic quality and more dirt repelling and easier to keep it clean part.
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Boy, ya'll are hardcore! I'm appreciative of everyone's input. Thing is, I've never done anything special to any of my cars, so just doing the paint correction and ceramic would be a huge upgrade for me. As I said, I'm not going to be hand washing my car. At least, hardly at all. So I'm really just curious about laying out about $1300 CAD (about $1000 USD) for paint correction and ceramic coating with a five year guarantee and annual corrections as part of the service. I figure it's got to be better than doing nothing. I'm attracted to the hydrophobic quality and more dirt repelling and easier to keep it clean part.
Ah man. This is a tough question.

These cars washes that you go to use all sorts of chemicals and waxes and other nonsense that would just mess up your coating to be honest. Plus the brushes, rollers etc will just put scratches and swirl marks right back into the paint that you got corrected and ceramic coated.

My vote is save the 1k but let's see what the other guys say.
 
Ah man. This is a tough question.

These cars washes that you go to use all sorts of chemicals and waxes and other nonsense that would just mess up your coating to be honest. Plus the brushes, rollers etc will just put scratches and swirl marks right back into the paint that you got corrected and ceramic coated.

My vote is save the 1k but let's see what the other guys say.
Oh, no brushes and rollers for me. Just touchless. But yes to some sketchy chemicals, I guess. So, the options are, 1) no ceramic plus more of those sketchy washes (bc the car will get dirtier faster and I'll wash it more)? or 2) ceramic plus less of those sketchy washes? What's better for my car?

I really appreciate your input. And that of the other guys. You're very patient and kind. I'm a terrible protoge, but I'm being honest.
 
@YAH DEF: if you’re attracted to the benefits of correction and coating but the drawback of not trusting the car washes to have ceramic friendly chemicals in their soaps (spoiler alert, they aren’t), then a good way to go is to find a good mobile detailer and get set up on a bi-weekly or monthly wash. Shouldn’t be more than $50 (USD) which in the scheme of things isn’t much more than a weekly drive through a touchless, and will get a much, much better result (and usually interior detail too!). They will have ceramic friendly pH neutral soaps and sprays, and really when it’s coated, once a month is all you will end up needing to do for full washes. my first detailer (no longer in business) also did a monthly mobile wash for me on one of my cars until I bought a house with a better garage and started doing everything myself.

If you can quick spray with a detail spray and a clean microfiber in between the washes (4-5 minutes tops whole car), you’ll be looking sharper than most guys washing their cars weekly with wash / wax 2-in-1’s and dragging chemicals and dirt across their clear coat with dirty towels!
 
^+1 on the above. Prep prep prep - most important part. Very easy to do IF you go straight from the dealer to the detailer. Makes their life a lot easier. The first three nights I didn't have my baby with me was absolutely terrible but it was well worth it.

I got exactly what @Wolf27 mentioned for ~2k - get XPEL ULTIMATE for the PPF if possible. Most detailers call it a "highway" package - Full front, partial hood, partial fenders and mirrors.

IGL Kenzo was the ceramic coat I got and it's heavenly. Beauty of this is that they only recommend a once yearly application of EcoCoat Premier for maintenance which is spray on and I can easily handle that.

If I got the entire car PPF'd it would cost nearly 9k. The package that we are stating is the next best thing you can get for very good protection.

I just washed my car...the water just beads right off leaving a beautiful finish - believe it or not this was touchless. I did not use any mits or microfibers.

Just power wash, foam cannon, and blower.
Full car PPF is no joke and gets insanely expensive real quick. Never would on my family’s work horse and people mover but I may do it on the next vette. Not sure. Between correction full PPF and coating you can EASILY spend $10-15k on paint correction, but that’s all done perfectly and protected forever.

Also; leaf blower to dry. Neighbors laughed at me the first time they watched me do that until I showed them how my coated paint sheets water and the car is literally dry without touching it once. There’s a method to the madness!
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@YAH DEF: if you’re attracted to the benefits of correction and coating but the drawback of not trusting the car washes to have ceramic friendly chemicals in their soaps (spoiler alert, they aren’t), then a good way to go is to find a good mobile detailer and get set up on a bi-weekly or monthly wash. Shouldn’t be more than $50 (USD) which in the scheme of things isn’t much more than a weekly drive through a touchless, and will get a much, much better result (and usually interior detail too!). They will have ceramic friendly pH neutral soaps and sprays, and really when it’s coated, once a month is all you will end up needing to do for full washes. my first detailer (no longer in business) also did a monthly mobile wash for me on one of my cars until I bought a house with a better garage and started doing everything myself.

If you can quick spray with a detail spray and a clean microfiber in between the washes (4-5 minutes tops whole car), you’ll be looking sharper than most guys washing their cars weekly with wash / wax 2-in-1’s and dragging chemicals and dirt across their clear coat with dirty towels!
This is an interesting idea....Hadn't heard of this before. Still have the issue of subzero winters here, with water lines shut off so they don't freeze, so not sure how it all works. But it's intriguing.
 
Full car PPF is no joke and gets insanely expensive real quick. Never would on my family’s work horse and people mover but I may do it on the next vette. Not sure. Between correction full PPF and coating you can EASILY spend $10-15k on paint correction, but that’s all done perfectly and protected forever.

Also; leaf blower to dry. Neighbors laughed at me the first time they watched me do that until I showed them how my coated paint sheets water and the car is literally dry without touching it once. There’s a method to the madness!
I just bought a metro vac. On sale at chemical guys...people will really think I'm nuts!
 
This is an interesting idea....Hadn't heard of this before. Still have the issue of subzero winters here, with water lines shut off so they don't freeze, so not sure how it all works. But it's intriguing.
May either have to take the winter off from the washes and go to the touchless once in a while, or find a mobile detailer that brings their own water with them. My dude had a 200 gallon tank of ionized water on a small trailer when he was washing in say a parking lot with no utility hookups to use. Just food for thought. We couldn’t be in more opposite climates though... lol
 
I would like it to last the full five years.... I'll talk to the ceramic guy about washing. I'm really just not going to hand wash it. I know this about myself!
I too am one who will not Hand wash. But then I can't get close enough to a Telly for a test drive!!! Will not Buy without Test Drive. Call me pickey.
 




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