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Comma.ai Open Pilot

So far my Comma 3 is night and day better than stock Kia LKA. Is it worth $2000? I'm going to say yes! (FYI Comma 2 is still available for around $1000 and currently does everything the same)

I know some willl say that's a lot of money, but with Tesla now charging $10,000 I'd say it's a bargain. No, it's not a Tesla, but Consumer Reports actually rated it better than Tesla:


I can already tell that it handles corners on the interstate much better than stock. I tried to take an exit ramp at a fast speed and it failed, but it at least gave me an audible warning and said grab the wheel and held it in place until I did. With the stock system, I feel like it is totally unsafe. The stock system will just give up at any given moment without any warning. If your hands aren't on the wheel it could be disatrous.

Comma OpenPilot also gives you a visual drive line, so you can actually predict how it is going to act when coming up on a precarious situation, and hence you learn to trust it much quicker than stock.

I also used it driving around town in traffic. While it's better suited for interstate, I can say it actually performed quite well, and I know the stock system couldn't handle many of the areas I drove.

The automatic lane changing is quite impressive too. Simply tap the turn signal and bump the steering wheel and it will automatically change lanes. I've tried to start a lane change with the stock system, hoping it would find the new lane before I went off the road, but it's rarely ever worked.

Is it perfect? No. It does give a brief error when you turn it on (see picture) that states it identifies as a Palisade, but it doesn't affect performance. I believe you can do something called "fingerprinting" to fix this, but I haven't figured that out yet. It also (currently) only provides Lateral control (steering). The gas/brakes are controlled by the stock system (which isn't bad BTW). They are working on Longitudinal control (speed, brakes), and I believe it will happen in the next few months.

I've heard George Hotz (the founder) compare OpenPilot to Android, while Tesla is the Apple. I can agree with this. It's not as polished (yet), but I believe that it will continue to get better.

I will try to post an installation video this weekend, as I am waiting to swap out some easier cables that I am waiting for, and don't want to take everything apart again more than once.

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So far my Comma 3 is night and day better than stock Kia LKA. Is it worth $2000? I'm going to say yes! (FYI Comma 2 is still available for around $1000 and currently does everything the same)

I know some willl say that's a lot of money, but with Tesla now charging $10,000 I'd say it's a bargain. No, it's not a Tesla, but Consumer Reports actually rated it better than Tesla:


I can already tell that it handles corners on the interstate much better than stock. I tried to take an exit ramp at a fast speed and it failed, but it at least gave me an audible warning and said grab the wheel and held it in place until I did. With the stock system, I feel like it is totally unsafe. The stock system will just give up at any given moment without any warning. If your hands aren't on the wheel it could be disatrous.

Comma OpenPilot also gives you a visual drive line, so you can actually predict how it is going to act when coming up on a precarious situation, and hence you learn to trust it much quicker than stock.

I also used it driving around town in traffic. While it's better suited for interstate, I can say it actually performed quite well, and I know the stock system couldn't handle many of the areas I drove.

The automatic lane changing is quite impressive too. Simply tap the turn signal and bump the steering wheel and it will automatically change lanes. I've tried to start a lane change with the stock system, hoping it would find the new lane before I went off the road, but it's rarely ever worked.

Is it perfect? No. It does give a brief error when you turn it on (see picture) that states it identifies as a Palisade, but it doesn't affect performance. I believe you can do something called "fingerprinting" to fix this, but I haven't figured that out yet. It also (currently) only provides Lateral control (steering). The gas/brakes are controlled by the stock system (which isn't bad BTW). They are working on Longitudinal control (speed, brakes), and I believe it will happen in the next few months.

I've heard George Hotz (the founder) compare OpenPilot to Android, while Tesla is the Apple. I can agree with this. It's not as polished (yet), but I believe that it will continue to get better.

I will try to post an installation video this weekend, as I am waiting to swap out some easier cables that I am waiting for, and don't want to take everything apart again more than once.

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This is super super helpful. Thank you for your feedback. I’m still on the fence but I’m inching closer and closer to biting the bullet. I already use the stock system every day and for my straight shot highway commute it is pretty amazing but there certainly times I don’t trust it. Trying to decide if I want to get the version 2 or 3. I guess 3 would be more future proof but I kind of want to see about the long term reliability too. Would appreciate more feedback as you get it.

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this,
Mike
 
Sorry for the delay. My Comma 3 had a hardware issue, but they swapped it out and everything is working great again

Here's a brief short video on installing the harness and cables. Sorry if it's not super exciting....


@chunky_mike Consider changing/adding the word "Autopilot" to the title of this thread? At first I didn't know what comma open pilot was until you enlightened me ;)
 
Sorry for the delay. My Comma 3 had a hardware issue, but they swapped it out and everything is working great again

Here's a brief short video on installing the harness and cables. Sorry if it's not super exciting....


@chunky_mike Consider changing/adding the word "Autopilot" to the title of this thread? At first I didn't know what comma open pilot was until you enlightened me ;)
Good idea though I’m not sure how to change the title of your post. Funny- I commented on your video 5 days ago independently of seeing your post!
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Sorry for the delay. My Comma 3 had a hardware issue, but they swapped it out and everything is working great again

Here's a brief short video on installing the harness and cables. Sorry if it's not super exciting....


@chunky_mike Consider changing/adding the word "Autopilot" to the title of this thread? At first I didn't know what comma open pilot was until you enlightened me ;)
Purchased my Comma 3 today! Looking forward to trying it out.
 
Purchased my Comma 3 today! Looking forward to trying it out.
Sweet, let me know if you need any help.

I put 3000 miles on my Telluride in the last 2 weeks. Even my wife is sold on the Comma 3 now :)
 
Sweet, let me know if you need any help.

I put 3000 miles on my Telluride in the last 2 weeks. Even my wife is sold on the Comma 3 now :)
Awesome, I can’t wait! Nervous about the install but I watched your video again last night and feel a little more up to it. Are you running 0.8.10?
 
Awesome, I can’t wait! Nervous about the install but I watched your video again last night and feel a little more up to it. Are you running 0.8.10?
Yes, running 0.8.10. This version now recognizes the Telluride without the need to fingerprint or get the Palisade warning.

Your biggest issue is going to be the mount. In retrospect, I don't think the vertical positioning of the mount matters from a funtionality standpoint, but I didn't like how the driver's side screen faced somewhat downward and the road camera's pointed somewhat upward

Let me know if it bothers you as much as it did me
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Hah, it's ok to take it for a short test ride if you can't wait, and then take the device off the mount until it cures 😅
 
OK I installed it and have gone have gone on a couple drives. I love it. Especially on the highway it is fantastic. Local roads without traffic lights are awesome as well. I didn't trust LFA on local roads before but Openpilot tracks steady so far. I'm still getting a sense for how it stops. Wish that it coasted more when it sees a car in front instead of giving power then braking. Still getting a sense of it. Can't wait until they use the new hardware in the C3.
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Yes, that is my experience as well, but keep in mind, that right now, OpenPilot is not controlling your speed and braking. It is still the stock Kia system controlling your speed, and radar will never be able detect a stopped car. Longitudinal control (speed/braking) is coming for Kia/Hyundai with OpenPilot, but is not implemented yet.

If you're brave and want to try it out now, check out SunnyHaibin's branch/fork (a version of OpenPilot just for Hyundai/Kia/Genesis). I know he has it working for the Palisade, but I haven't been brave enough to try it yet
 
Yes, that is my experience as well, but keep in mind, that right now, OpenPilot is not controlling your speed and braking. It is still the stock Kia system controlling your speed, and radar will never be able detect a stopped car. Longitudinal control (speed/braking) is coming for Kia/Hyundai with OpenPilot, but is not implemented yet.

If you're brave and want to try it out now, check out SunnyHaibin's branch/fork (a version of OpenPilot just for Hyundai/Kia/Genesis). I know he has it working for the Palisade, but I haven't been brave enough to try it yet
Curious, I am getting intermittent messages on start up saying that the car is not compatible, dash cam mode. If I stop the car and restart it, then frequently it goes back to normal behavior. Have you had that happen? It is a bit annoying.
 
Curious, I am getting intermittent messages on start up saying that the car is not compatible, dash cam mode. If I stop the car and restart it, then frequently it goes back to normal behavior. Have you had that happen? It is a bit annoying.
No, I haven't had any issues with that since the last 2 versions of OpenPilot. Do you know what version you are running? I'm currently on 0.8.11

Hopefully you don't have any hardware issues. As mentioned, my first one was defective and was giving weird errors, but my second device is rock solid
 
No, I haven't had any issues with that since the last 2 versions of OpenPilot. Do you know what version you are running? I'm currently on 0.8.11

Hopefully you don't have any hardware issues. As mentioned, my first one was defective and was giving weird errors, but my second device is rock solid
Yeah I'm wondering about that. I'll give it a few more days and if it continues I'll be in touch with Comma.
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Any updates on your weird errors?

What did you end up doing about the angle of your mount?
 
Any updates on your weird errors?

What did you end up doing about the angle of your mount?
So still getting the unrecognized device issue. Turning the car on and off solves it. I suspect it's a fingerprinting issue. When I have more time I think I'll watch a video on how to do it. I'm definitely not a programmer so I don't want to mess anything up. Still love the device tho- great upgrade to the car. Even if this is all the functionality I can get it is worth it if it lasts for 10 years or something.
 
So still getting the unrecognized device issue. Turning the car on and off solves it. I suspect it's a fingerprinting issue. When I have more time I think I'll watch a video on how to do it. I'm definitely not a programmer so I don't want to mess anything up. Still love the device tho- great upgrade to the car. Even if this is all the functionality I can get it is worth it if it lasts for 10 years or something.
Also the angle doesn't bother me at all. I did have to lower my seat because I like to ride high but the mirror blocks my view of the top of the device.
 
So still getting the unrecognized device issue. Turning the car on and off solves it. I suspect it's a fingerprinting issue. When I have more time I think I'll watch a video on how to do it. I'm definitely not a programmer so I don't want to mess anything up. Still love the device tho- great upgrade to the car. Even if this is all the functionality I can get it is worth it if it lasts for 10 years or something.
I'm certainly happy to try to help you with the fingerprinting process, as I had to work my way through it as well.

But, as I may have alluded to prior, I'm not sure it is a fingerprinting issue. Every time they would send out an OpenPilot update, I would have to redo my fingerprinting (modify the values.py file). But, the last few updates, I stopped getting any warnings, so I haven't bothered to redo anything and it seems to work fine.

This video helped me, but I'm also going to try to PM you a cheatsheet I made to help me remember how to do it in the future

 




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