INCOMING TELLURIDES

[Tellmeride]

First of all, not everyone can just randomly walk into their local dealership and see there it is an unspoken for Tellmeride of their choice, just sitting there waiting, at MSRP. Like it happened with you.

If things are this easy, then the buyers would not be having all these issues with markups, ordering, and what not.

Secondly, a dealership is in the business of MAKING MONEY, if you don’t think what they are doing is cool in your personal opinion then don’t buy from them, that’s all, no need to step on them like a cockroach. Plenty of others will have no problem with that and will happily hand over their checks. What’s deemed useless and a scam to you... maybe of value to others.

Lastly, you already bought, why are you keep asking all these questions as if you are still in the hunt, wasting the sales guy’s time, when he is just trying to bring home the bread and take care of his family?

At least here they are giving you something back for the “markup”, still within reason. The real scam is when a dealership slaps on a $15k market adjustment line with nothing to show for.

 

[Nac]

...a dealership is in the business of MAKING MONEY, if you don’t think what they are doing is cool in your personal opinion then don’t buy from them, that’s all, no need to step on them like a cockroach...
...you already bought, why are you keep asking all these questions as if you are still in the hunt, wasting the sales guy’s time, when he is just trying to bring home the bread and take care of his family?

I re-read this thread twice to see if my posts were attempting to "step on them like a cockroach"... Here is what I determined.
In post #1 and #2 aaroneast posted some tellurides for sale that will arrive in August and September and have a $2597 protection package added.
In post #3 I asked what a $2597 protection package was since it was not clear in post #1&2. aaroneast replied with the protection package details in post #4.
In post #5 I asked if I can purchase without the protection package since its not on the car yet. (trying to negotiate a deal @ MSRP)
In post #6 aaroneast said its a mandatory package.
In post #7 I thanked him stated my reason for not wanting the package (giving him an opportunity to negotiate if he chose to) and wished him "Good luck with your sales."

I see nothing in that exchange that could be classified as "step on them like a cockroach"

In post #12 westchesterkia commented about MSRP as a negotiation starting point, (I see MSRP as a price with a very good built in profit for the dealer).
In post #13 aaron east explained why they are using add on (inventory control) and tried to justify it (others ask way more than us)
In post #14 I explained to weschesterkia via analogy why I did not like the deal presented.
In post #18 aaroneast stated he does not make the deals the owners and management do.
In post #20 I made it very clear these are my opinions and others may think differently.

I see nothing in this exchange that could be classified as "step on them like a cockroach"

Lastly, the reason I asked the two questions (what is in the protection package? and can I delete it?) as if I am still in the hunt, wasting the sales guy’s time, is really None Of Your Business; however for your edification, I am considering selling my 2018 Stinger (for more than I paid for it) and looking at a second Telluride. Should that occur I am sure I will do my homework, find a suitable model (probably with port installed options I don't really want, just like the last one I bought), then walk into a local dealership and purchase it at MSRP. Because Kia makes Tellurides almost everyday and although popular they are not unobtanium.

In a business deal (like buying a car) it is not any of my concern that "the dealership is in the business of MAKING MONEY", my concern is getting the best deal (lowest price for maximum value) for me.

Thanks for asking me not to share my opinions when you don't like them ("if you don’t think what they are doing is cool in your personal opinion then don’t buy from them, that’s all, no need to step on them like a cockroach.)" although I thought that's what these forums were for, sharing information and opinions

 

[Westchesterkia]

I re-read this thread twice to see if my posts were attempting to "step on them like a cockroach"... Here is what I determined.
In post #1 and #2 aaroneast posted some tellurides for sale that will arrive in August and September and have a $2597 protection package added.
In post #3 I asked what a $2597 protection package was since it was not clear in post #1&2. aaroneast replied with the protection package details in post #4.
In post #5 I asked if I can purchase without the protection package since its not on the car yet. (trying to negotiate a deal @ MSRP)
In post #6 aaroneast said its a mandatory package.
In post #7 I thanked him stated my reason for not wanting the package (giving him an opportunity to negotiate if he chose to) and wished him "Good luck with your sales."

I see nothing in that exchange that could be classified as "step on them like a cockroach"

In post #12 westchesterkia commented about MSRP as a negotiation starting point, (I see MSRP as a price with a very good built in profit for the dealer).
In post #13 aaron east explained why they are they are using add on (inventory control) and tried to justify it (others ask way more than us)
In post #14 I explained to weschesterkia via analogy why I did not like the deal presented.
In post #18 aaroneast stated he does not make the deals the owners and management do.
In post #20 I made it very clear these are my opinions and others may think differently.

I see nothing in this exchange that could be classified as "step on them like a cockroach"

Lastly, the reason I asked the two questions (what is in the protection package? and can I delete it?) as if I am still in the hunt, wasting the sales guy’s time, is really None Of Your Business; however for your edification, I am considering selling my 2018 Stinger (for more than I paid for it) and looking at a second Telluride. Should that occur I am sure I will do my homework, find a suitable model (probably with port installed options I don't really want, just like the last one I bought), then walk into a local dealership and purchase it at MSRP. Because Kia makes Tellurides almost everyday and although popular they are not unobtanium.

In a business deal (like buying a car) it is not any of my concern that "the dealership is in the business of MAKING MONEY", my concern is getting the best deal (lowest price for maximum value) for me.

Thanks for asking me not to share my opinions when you don't like them ("if you don’t think what they are doing is cool in your personal opinion then don’t buy from them, that’s all, no need to step on them like a cockroach.)" although I thought that's what these forums were for, sharing information and opinions

Still don’t understand how people like you expect to get more than you paid for your stinger, then don’t think you should pay above msrp to dealers who have seriously limited inventory with which to pay their bills. That type of greed is what is destroying our country. You are more like the dealer’s than different in my view.

I stated msrp is a starting point for a negotiation between customer and dealer because generally speaking cars sell far below it. It is an inflated price that incentives etc give room for dealers to make customers feel like they are getting a good deal. thinking paying msrp is magically a “right” price ir a good deal is as foolish as thinking paying above msrp is a scam.

“I want to have my cake and eat it too” is essentially your position

 

[Tellmeride]

“I want to have my cake and eat it too” is essentially your position

Amazing innit?

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[Nac]

Still don’t understand how people like you expect to get more than you paid for your stinger, then don’t think you should pay above msrp to dealers who have seriously limited inventory with which to pay their bills. That type of greed is what is destroying our country. You are more like the dealer’s than different in my view.

I stated msrp is a starting point for a negotiation between customer and dealer because generally speaking cars sell far below it. It is an inflated price that incentives etc give room for dealers to make customers feel like they are getting a good deal. thinking paying msrp is magically a “right” price ir a good deal is as foolish as thinking paying above msrp is a scam.

“I want to have my cake and eat it too” is essentially your position

I never expected to get more than I paid for my Stinger, Carvana is currently offering more than I paid for my stinger, I think they are nuts, but they are offering.....

"...dealers who have seriously limited inventory with which to pay their bills..." I have seriously limited resources to pay my bills, the dealers bills are not my concern; maybe you, with your significant concern for the car dealers and their bills, should send them a donation to help them out, and maybe with that donation the dealers will stop over charging or forcing products on customers they may not want and your donation might even prevent the destruction of our country.

"You are more like the dealer’s than different in my view" So you don't like how car dealers do business (probably been screwed by them before); but want me to not approach a business deal in a similar manner? In a business deal I am responsible to Me and only Me. If you don't get that you probably get screwed on business deals pretty often.

"I want to have my cake and eat it too” is essentially your position" I don't think you understand who is responsible for what in a business deal. The dealer is not your friend (when is the last time they took you to dinner, bought you a drink, really helped with a warranty issue, etc) the dealer is trying to maximize profit, you are trying to maximize value, negotiations allow for meeting in the the middle. I asked a dealer to delete a protection package that I think is worthless, the dealer declined (its called negotiating unfortunately we did not reach a deal).

If you start with the dealers concerns in mind you are not adequately representing yourself and will probably leave money on the table, if the dealer doesn't want to sell at my terms I go to another dealer, if no dealer sells at my terms then its likely I have unreasonable expectations. Since other dealer sell in stock cars for MSRP that condition has not yet occurred meaning I am not being unreasonable and if I buy another Telluride it will likely be at MSRP.

I still don’t understand how people like you walk into a dealership get all emotional about the poor dealers limited inventory and low profit margins and a whole bunch of other irrelevant things forgetting you are involved in a negotiation to make a business deal, and that's all it is, you represent you, they represent them, you negotiate based on your needs not theirs.

If you want, I will negotiate your next deal, and I am pretty sure I will save you money that you can send to your choice of suffering businesses or government agencies doing your part in preventing destruction of the country.

 

[Westchesterkia]

I never expected to get more than I paid for my Stinger, Carvana is currently offering more than I paid for my stinger, I think they are nuts, but they are offering.....

"...dealers who have seriously limited inventory with which to pay their bills..." I have seriously limited resources to pay my bills, the dealers bills are not my concern; maybe you, with your significant concern for the car dealers and their bills, should send them a donation to help them out, and maybe with that donation the dealers will stop over charging or forcing products on customers they may not want and your donation might even prevent the destruction of our country.

"You are more like the dealer’s than different in my view" So you don't like how car dealers do business (probably been screwed by them before); but want me to not approach a business deal in a similar manner? In a business deal I am responsible to Me and only Me. If you don't get that you probably get screwed on business deals pretty often.

"I want to have my cake and eat it too” is essentially your position" I don't think you understand who is responsible for what in a business deal. The dealer is not your friend (when is the last time they took you to dinner, bought you a drink, really helped with a warranty issue, etc) the dealer is trying to maximize profit, you are trying to maximize value, negotiations allow for meeting in the the middle. I asked a dealer to delete a protection package that I think is worthless, the dealer declined (its called negotiating unfortunately we did not reach a deal).

If you start with the dealers concerns in mind you are not adequately representing yourself and will probably leave money on the table, if the dealer doesn't want to sell at my terms I go to another dealer, if no dealer sells at my terms then its likely I have unreasonable expectations. Since other dealer sell in stock cars for MSRP that condition has not yet occurred meaning I am not being unreasonable and if I buy another Telluride it will likely be at MSRP.

I still don’t understand how people like you walk into a dealership get all emotional about the poor dealers limited inventory and low profit margins and a whole bunch of other irrelevant things forgetting you are involved in a negotiation to make a business deal, and that's all it is, you represent you, they represent them, you negotiate based on your needs not theirs.

If you want, I will negotiate your next deal, and I am pretty sure I will save you money that you can send to your choice of suffering businesses or government agencies doing your part in preventing destruction of the country.

You show me a dealer with a telluride in stock at msrp. Part of doing a deal is knowing the cost of doing business. The same market conditions making your stinger worth more than you paid, is making tellurides worth more than MSRP. Lots of cars are. Lots of used cars are way up in value. I got a good deal on my telluride at a dealer who a buyer backed out of deal on. I paid more than I normally would but not more than MSRP, but I got $6k more for my xc60 than I paid for it, so its a wash in my eyes.

you are like carl Ichan who thought netflix was maxxed out at 700 per share, too expensive, they are currently at 533, so he looks smart, except for they 7:1 split, so he left $14bn on the table because he thought something was overpriced.

 

[Nac]

"Part of doing a deal is knowing the cost of doing business" Who's cost of doing business? My responsibility is knowing my cost of doing business, not the dealers. If you are concerned with the dealers costs as part of your negotiation you should move to the other side of the negotiating table and help them. Their business costs are irrelevant to me.

" I paid more than I normally would but not more than MSRP," So you paid MSRP or less for yours and I am a horrible person destroying the country for attempting to get the same deal you got and for not agreeing to purchase an add on package of snake oil?

"I got $6k more for my xc60 than I paid for it" You stated in post #23 "Still don’t understand how people like you expect to get more than you paid for your stinger, then don’t think you should pay above MSRP to dealers" Yet that's exactly what you did with your xc60; you got more that you paid for your used car and paid MSRP or less for your Telluride, so I guess its just people like you that can expect that kind of deal and yet I am a horrible person destroying the country for attempting to get the same deal you got and for not agreeing to purchase an add on package of snake oil?

"You are like carl Ichan who thought netflix was maxxed... So I am like Carl Ichan because I am looking for the same deal you got? What about your comment "That type of greed is what is destroying our country. You are more like the dealer’s than different in my view." So attempting to do what you already did makes me a horrible person destroying the country, but you doing the same is great and especially not greedy...

You should engage your brain and think before responding, your arguments are looking more thoughtless, senseless and foolish with each new post.
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Oh yeah it took me 30 seconds to find a Telluride in stock at MSRP (Matthews Kia in Vestal NY)

 

[Westchesterkia]

"Part of doing a deal is knowing the cost of doing business" Who's cost of doing business? My responsibility is knowing my cost of doing business, not the dealers. If you are concerned with the dealers costs as part of your negotiation you should move to the other side of the negotiating table and help them. Their business costs are irrelevant to me.

" I paid more than I normally would but not more than MSRP," So you paid MSRP or less for yours and I am a horrible person destroying the country for attempting to get the same deal you got and for not agreeing to purchase an add on package of snake oil?

"I got $6k more for my xc60 than I paid for it" You stated in post #23 "Still don’t understand how people like you expect to get more than you paid for your stinger, then don’t think you should pay above MSRP to dealers" Yet that's exactly what you did with your xc60; you got more that you paid for your used car and paid MSRP or less for your Telluride, so I guess its just people like you that can expect that kind of deal and yet I am a horrible person destroying the country for attempting to get the same deal you got and for not agreeing to purchase an add on package of snake oil?

"You are like carl Ichan who thought netflix was maxxed... So I am like Carl Ichan because I am looking for the same deal you got? What about your comment "That type of greed is what is destroying our country. You are more like the dealer’s than different in my view." So attempting to do what you already did makes me a horrible person destroying the country, but you doing the same is great and especially not greedy...

You should engage your brain and think before responding, your arguments are looking more thoughtless, senseless and foolish with each new post.
This article may help you Why You Say Stupid Things and How To Stop | SocialPro

Oh yeah it took me 30 seconds to find a Telluride in stock at MSRP (Matthews Kia in Vestal NY)
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Haha, I bought mine months ago. Today’s market is the one you are in you clown.

you are delusional fool if you think that car actually exists hahahaha. Its on the internet ist must be real! Go ahead and get one at msrp. It’ll be a 3-9 month wait and prob 3 states away. It’s not that I consider the dealer’s cost if doing business in an inclement way, just that I know the reality of the current market. I’ve never paid more than 10-15 percent below msrp for a car. My volvo is prob worth a couple grand more now than when I traded in. So I imagine a new telluride would be a couple grand above msrp as opposed to when I paid msrp(which I think is vastly overpaying, but a wash since my car was also way up in value).

you’re best bet at getting a telly is on a trade in at a dealer because at least then they get two bites at the apple. Most out of state dealers won’t even sell except special orders to non local people right now because you are askin them to give up profit on service in future and missing out on the trade in to sell.

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[Westchesterkia]

"Part of doing a deal is knowing the cost of doing business" Who's cost of doing business? My responsibility is knowing my cost of doing business, not the dealers. If you are concerned with the dealers costs as part of your negotiation you should move to the other side of the negotiating table and help them. Their business costs are irrelevant to me.

" I paid more than I normally would but not more than MSRP," So you paid MSRP or less for yours and I am a horrible person destroying the country for attempting to get the same deal you got and for not agreeing to purchase an add on package of snake oil?

"I got $6k more for my xc60 than I paid for it" You stated in post #23 "Still don’t understand how people like you expect to get more than you paid for your stinger, then don’t think you should pay above MSRP to dealers" Yet that's exactly what you did with your xc60; you got more that you paid for your used car and paid MSRP or less for your Telluride, so I guess its just people like you that can expect that kind of deal and yet I am a horrible person destroying the country for attempting to get the same deal you got and for not agreeing to purchase an add on package of snake oil?

"You are like carl Ichan who thought netflix was maxxed... So I am like Carl Ichan because I am looking for the same deal you got? What about your comment "That type of greed is what is destroying our country. You are more like the dealer’s than different in my view." So attempting to do what you already did makes me a horrible person destroying the country, but you doing the same is great and especially not greedy...

You should engage your brain and think before responding, your arguments are looking more thoughtless, senseless and foolish with each new post.
This article may help you Why You Say Stupid Things and How To Stop | SocialPro

Oh yeah it took me 30 seconds to find a Telluride in stock at MSRP (Matthews Kia in Vestal NY)
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Engage my brain. Lol. Dude thinks a listing in the internet with no pictures is a real car at a real price he can have it for. Dude…if you were here I’d show you what engaging oneself looked like. You’re a clown. I’m done wasting my breath.

 

[Nac]

Excellent reply's providing no facts and no useful information. I see your strategy when losing a debate, attack and mock the others character by calling them clown and delusional fool.

"you are delusional fool if you think that car actually exists hahahaha." I called Matthews yesterday and they had it, its the only one they had and are selling it at MSRP, I don't want the brown interior.

"if you were here I’d show you what engaging oneself looked like." I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "engaging oneself". I assume it's what your mother told you would make you go blind if you kept at it too often; alas you didn't listen to her either. Please just stop engaging yourself its interfering with your critical thinking; in addition, inviting a stranger to watch is just distressing.

I do thank you for discontinuing breathing.

 

[StephenCantrelle]

 

[z28hugger]

LOL Stephen. This thread needed some humor about now!

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[Jurassic3k]

Did you order?

If you travel about 20 miles south of this guy and visit Luther Kia you can get a really nice Telluride for MSRP with no BS. I highly recommend them....no bait and switch like this dealership. I ordered mine and received it in less than 3 months. They don't play the protection package bs with in stock or incoming vehicles either

 

[ChesCoMoss]

This was enlightening. God bless America!

 

[aaroneast]

Come See me at Barnett Kia if you place an order from me there will be no upcharge or extra fees. You will be paying MSRP. Please let me know if you are interested?

 

[Wkradem]

Come See me at Barnett Kia if you place an order from me there will be no upcharge or extra fees. You will be paying MSRP. Please let me know if you are interested?

what are you seeing as far as time from order to delivery? I'm interested in an EX

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[M.Mason]

Come See me at Barnett Kia if you place an order from me there will be no upcharge or extra fees. You will be paying MSRP. Please let me know if you are interested?

Just curious what your lead time is for a 2022 S, gravity gray, with homelink mirror?

 

[Guinner16]

My suggestion is to remember what dealers pull slimey moves. It’s only a matter of time when the pendulum will swing the other way and they will be begging for your money. My dealer treated me fairly and I would absolutely go back to them and their family of dealerships when my trucks lease is up next year.

 

[Tortuga07]

I think Aaroneast is being completely fair in this thread. He's posting the mandatory add-ons so as not to mislead anyone looking to buy from the inventory. This is actually something we requested he start doing after a previous post so it's refreshing to see that he wants people to see the true price that his dealership is selling for.

 

[Guinner16]

I think Aaroneast is being completely fair in this thread. He's posting the mandatory add-ons so as not to mislead anyone looking to buy from the inventory. This is actually something we requested he start doing after a previous post so it's refreshing to see that he wants people to see the true price that his dealership is selling for.

I do have a question and I honestly don’t know the answer. Do these vehicles have any impact on the speed of custom orders from existing customers. It would be pretty crappy if the dealer was ordering this way to make extra money but in the process slowing down custom order customers due to limited allocation.