Some people in California are paying over 70K out the door for a Telluride

[2020Telly]

That's totally false and not supported by data. These may seem like small lies to you, but on Jan 6th we saw what lies can lead to.

I don’t condone what happened on the 6th, but what does that have to do with the fact that California has a higher cost of living than the average for the rest of the country and people pay more taxes as a premium to live in CA? California puts more regulations on nearly everything and the prices go up but people are still willing to pay. Heck Elon Musk admits to moving to Texas because it’s cheaper than California. Musk, a friend of the environment, says CA’s environmental regulations are too much. That’s saying something.

 

[Sswitzky]

I don’t condone what happened on the 6th, but what does that have to do with the fact that California has a higher cost of living than the average for the rest of the country and people pay more taxes as a premium to live in CA? Heck Elon Musk admits to moving to Texas because it’s cheaper than California.

It’s ironic. More taxes. More regulation. The highest poverty rate of any state. Super rich in enclaves, surrounded by the super poor, homeless, addicted.

 

[2020Telly]

It’s ironic. More taxes. More regulation. The highest poverty rate of any state. Super rich in enclaves, surrounded by the super poor, homeless, addicted.

Good point. I forgot some of the highest income inequality around forcing workers out of towns and cities they can’t afford to live in.

Best State to Buy a Car

Car prices and overall costs by state depend on a variety of factors such as taxes, registration fees, dealer fees, and more. No matter how skilled you are at negotiation, costs can still vary significantly by state.

www.caranddriver.com

“Worst State for Initial Cost
In contrast with Florida, the worst state for initial cost is California. California is home to a variety of factors that make car buying a risky business according to Wide Open Roads. The general cost of living is considerably high in California, and it's been steadily growing for years. Additionally, unemployment is a problem in the state, making financially struggling people more common. Because of this, many people are holding onto their cars.”

 

[Ski99]

Good point. I forgot some of the highest income inequality around forcing workers out of towns and cities they can’t afford to live in.

Best State to Buy a Car

Car prices and overall costs by state depend on a variety of factors such as taxes, registration fees, dealer fees, and more. No matter how skilled you are at negotiation, costs can still vary significantly by state.

www.caranddriver.com

“Worst State for Initial Cost
In contrast with Florida, the worst state for initial cost is California. California is home to a variety of factors that make car buying a risky business according to Wide Open Roads. The general cost of living is considerably high in California, and it's been steadily growing for years. Additionally, unemployment is a problem in the state, making financially struggling people more common. Because of this, many people are holding onto their cars.”

Your obsessed with California! You don't live here. Why don't you just focus on making where you live better instead of insulting where others live.

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[2020Telly]

Your obsessed with California! You don't live here. Why don't you just focus on making where you live better instead of insulting where others live.

I’d be happy to when the economy and policies in the other 49 states weren’t impacted so much by California. I love California for the weather and Irvine gave us the Telluride.

I’m sorry I insulted you. I think I was merely pointing out facts that explain why prices are so far from the US average. People are moving out of California to other states, I’m not sure what that has to do with the Capitol insurrection and attack on democracy. I’m wholeheartedly opposed to what happened and was insulted that my opinion on the economy in California was somehow connected to Jan 6.

 

[Ski99]

I’d be happy to when the economy and policies in the other 49 states weren’t impacted so much by California. I love California for the weather in Irvine gave us the Telluride.

I’m sorry I insulted you. I think I was merely pointing out facts that explain why prices are so far from the US average. People are moving out of California to other states, I’m not sure what that has to do with the Capitol insurrection and attack on democracy. I’m wholeheartedly opposed to what happened and was insulted that my opinion on the economy in California was somehow connected to Jan 6.

The funny thing is your overt sheep following California bashing has me defending California which I never do. I guess it's the no one can beat up on my kid brother but me. I highly doubt California policies impact you if you don't live here.

 

[2020Telly]

The funny thing is your overt sheep following California bashing has me defending California which I never do. I guess it's the no one can beat up on my kid brother but me. I highly doubt California policies impact you if you don't live here.

Given my paycheck comes from California it most certainly impacts me.

 

[Freakrule21]

That's totally false and not supported by data. These may seem like small lies to you, but on Jan 6th we saw what lies can lead to.

It's not false but okay.

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[LookingforTelly]

I came to make a post on topic, but ya'll are so deep into arguing over shit that doesn't matter, that its pointless now, I guess.

 

[2020Telly]

I came to make a post on topic, but ya'll are so deep into arguing over shit that doesn't matter, that its pointless now, I guess.

You see arguing, I see a civil discussion back and forth of differing opinions. I think the discussion is still relevant about how it is that the Telluride prices are so high in California. I welcome anyone with a different opinion than me to share their thoughts. If we can't have conversations and share differing opinions, then what good is a forum.

 

[LookingforTelly]

I just don't think anyone is talking with any real sense of purpose about the topic. What does "I’d be happy to when the economy and policies in the other 49 states weren’t impacted so much by California" that even mean? What policies that California has do you think negatively impact the rest of the US, in more significant ways that any other state's policies? And then, how do those policies correlate to the purchase price of the Telluride in California? I'm not drawing any tangible connection, and now we're adding insulting people, correlating an attack on the white house, and belittling people for their choices. Call it constructive debate if you want, but there seems to be no gain here other than people pushing their political opinions without critical thinking and open thought.

 

[2020Telly]

I just don't think anyone is talking with any real sense of purpose about the topic. What does "I’d be happy to when the economy and policies in the other 49 states weren’t impacted so much by California" that even mean? What policies that California has do you think negatively impact the rest of the US, in more significant ways that any other state's policies? And then, how do those policies correlate to the purchase price of the Telluride in California? I'm not drawing any tangible connection, and now we're adding insulting people, correlating an attack on the white house, and belittling people for their choices. Call it constructive debate if you want, but there seems to be no gain here other than people pushing their political opinions without critical thinking and open thought.

I think the correlation is that California is the most populated state in the United States and contributes to a huge portion of the GDP. As it relates to car buying, when the prices are driven up by people willing to pay higher prices that means that there are some more reasonable and cost conscious buyers in CA going to purchase from other states (which is their right and frankly what I would do as well) and that takes inventory from other buyers in other states rather than buying locally. When a government of a state that has the most population, whose state economy has an influence on the rest of the country comes out and says that they will ban Internal Combustion Engine new sales faster than the rest of the country is planning to phase them out, that impacts inventory and sales of used cars as well new cars now before the ban and and it puts an unneeded timeline on infrastructure changes that were otherwise going to happen and that will cost more money. The governor is putting out executive orders that are comparable to plans proposed by entire countries. If you've seen my other posts, I fully expect my next vehicle to be an EV and frankly I'm excited for it. But I don't think the answer is to force it down with government regulation, I would rather affordable EVs come out that average consumers can purchase and people speak with their wallets in demand. I can't even buy some new EVs because they are only allowed to be sold in California to meet their supply requirements. Lobbyists in CA have way more influence on policies that impact the economy over many other states that don't deal with the same issues as California. In the meantime the state that is pushing some of their policies is losing residents because they can't afford to live there. But relative to what they were paying to live in California, buying a home elsewhere and paying more than asking price is not even a second thought and you drive up the housing market just like the car market.

The thing that multiplies the problem with the new vehicle pricing for the Telluride is that the vehicle is already in limited supply and supply is getting even more limited.

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