Wooow still can’t believe there are fools paying over for a Kia car. I’m here on this forum from day one, still didn’t buy Kia, and it looks like I won’t, CA dealers are straight out crazy. For me 5k is huge and I don’t want to throw it away, and working around trims can save couple more. I’m working on a Subaru, and 2020 is going at below invoice, sounds like a deal to me. I wanted EX but don’t want to be fooled, Subaru Limited might do...still have time, but there are no cars available here and I’m not joining Kia Fools Club