Safety Feature and Reliability Discussion

[Dandy]

One more for you all!

 

[ucinn]

hmm. 10 years with CR and never once did I ever get a survey about 1 of my cars..amazing.. I guess those 4 million are hand picked from their "readers" then.. anyway.. I'm done with this, I'll leave this here and you can have the last rebuttal if you wish.

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[syadasti]

Blindspot monitoring/warning has been available since So sure, they aren't all by definition "decades" old. I should have been more specific and said "13-27 years old," I suppose. But again, these aren't new techs. And they most certainly were not invented and implemented in 2016 by Subaru.

Classic strawman and or nonsense. Eyesight is not a blindspot monitoring system and nobody claimed Subaru was first though they were one of the early pioneers of effective camera imaging based systems for passenger cars.

They had one of the best performing mainstream systems earlier on than other brands and outperformed most luxury systems at the time - imaging, laser, or radar. Most brands are more on par now, it doesn’t have lane centering and some are pushing the boundaries like Tesla.

 

[syadasti]

hmm. 10 years with CR and never once did I ever get a survey about 1 of my cars..amazing.. I guess those 4 million are hand picked from their "readers" then.. anyway.. I'm done with this, I'll leave this here and you can have the last rebuttal if you wish.

Consumer Reports reliability ratings for cars and...

Consumer Reports reliability ratings for cars and trucks: are they reliable? Consumer Reports response rates Consumer Reports responds: Please note that CONSUMER REPORTS(R) is a federally registered trademark. We do not grant permission to you to use it. - Wendy J. Wintman Legal Services...

www.allpar.com

They have over six million total including online and it’s randomized SAMPLE because conducting very large surveys isn’t cheap - you don’t understand statistical sampling if you think they’re going to sample everyone.

They’ve also updated their sampling since that outdated article. Self selection is not a double blind simple random survey but it’s not easy to do that with cars like drug testing. It’s still better than a paid industry award like JD Powers.

Another more recent attempt is TrueDelta, but I don’t know enough about the small operation to judge it.

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[ucinn]

I do belong to true delta.. It's pretty neat. You just sign up, input what cars you have and every quarter, they send you an email to report any service visits. He also does his own car reviews and compares it to it's nearest competitor. It's no more reliable than CR because I believe it clumps all the same drivetrains together and relies only on subscribers. It determines reliability of the updated records that the subscriber inputs, so not very precise data.

 

[Kamauxx]

Classic strawman and or nonsense. Eyesight is not a blindspot monitoring system and words

It appears you're getting a little sensitive over this whole "Subaru didn't invent the wheel" thing? My post mentioned multiple systems and dates going back to 1992 from multiple automakers. You're still harping on one specific system in some kind of strange defense of Subaru and ignoring everything else?

I'm guessing you're a big Subaru fan and you're finding this offensive?

nobody claimed Subaru was first

In your weird quest to defend Subaru from an attack that hasn't materialized you must have completely missed this:

My 2016 Subaru Legacy was one of the first cars to have all of the new fancy safety systems.

My point, I'll say once again, in the most simplistic way possible. THIS. IS. NOT. NEW. TECH. AND. WAS. NOT. INTRODUCED. BY. SUBARU.

 

[Kamauxx]

I wasn't stating a fact. I was just saying when we were car shopping Subaru at the time was one of the few that offered the safety systems on lower trims. Most at the time you have to go up to the top 2 trims to add those features. I'm sorry i misspoke before, i never meant to imply subaru invented them but rather that they were some of the first to offer all those features on lower trim models instead of top trims.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[zhelder]

It appears you're getting a little sensitive over this whole "Subaru didn't invent the wheel" thing? My post mentioned multiple systems and dates going back to 1992 from multiple automakers. You're still harping on one specific system in some kind of strange defense of Subaru and ignoring everything else?

I'm guessing you're a big Subaru fan and you're finding this offensive?



In your weird quest to defend Subaru from an attack that hasn't materialized you must have completely missed this:



My point, I'll say once again, in the most simplistic way possible. THIS. IS. NOT. NEW. TECH. AND. WAS. NOT. INTRODUCED. BY. SUBARU.

Your point is valid, but let’s get real... Subaru may not have invented or been the first to implement these technologies, but they sure played a big role in making them mainstream.

ABS has been available in cars since 1971. How many people in 1971 (or even 1981) knew what ABS was or could afford it? The technology didn’t become mainstream until two decades later.

Making the technology widely available and affordable is a big part of the equation.

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[syadasti]

My point, I'll say once again, in the most simplistic way possible. THIS. IS. NOT. NEW. TECH. AND. WAS. NOT. INTRODUCED. BY. SUBARU.

Eyesight was one of the first effective mainstream imaging based safety systems just like he noted. It’s performance is at the top of similar generation lidar and radar based safety, not just ACC systems.

I have never owned a Subaru.

I have driven a FX35 extensively in the early 2000s with ACC and I own a 2016 RAV4 Hybrid with a safety system that’s nearly as good as a similar vintage eyesight which I have tried on someone else’s 2016 Outback.

 

[Dandy]

I am not sure of how the systems on the Telluride are set up. I do like what Ford is doing with their 360. They are continuing to use Radar but are beginning to incorporate it with a camera system similar to Subaru's Eyesight.

I currently drive a Ford and my wife has a 2017 Subaru Outback. I prefer the way the adaptive cruise control works on the Ford using radar, but there are several safety features that I like on the Subaru. I think Ford has the right idea, taking several different techs that are proven in their own right and combining them and hopefully using the strengths of each. There are certain conditions that radar will work but Eyesight will not, heavy rains and fog for example. In slushy conditions when the bumper and radar get covered on my Flex, Eyesight would still work (it just cannot find the lines in slush for the lane warning, or lane assist on newer models).

Does anyone know what systems the Telluride is using for its safety systems?

 

[syadasti]

Dandy, right it’s similar with Toyota vs Ford - radar and cameras. I live in a snowy area and when it’s coming down heavy or slushy it quickly goes haywire and eventually shuts down until you clean it off. Haven’t tried a Subaru in similar weather.

Pretty sure Telluride is radar and lidar based, not sure of the supplier.

On a related note the backup camera is in the worst possible place on the RAV4. It gets dirty immediately. My Santa Fe Sport’s backup camera stays cleaner much longer. Ford now has a washer on their backup camera but I’ve never seen it in action.

 

[Bruce_wayne8887]

Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah and once again I never meant to inply subaru was first only that their system was one of the first on lower trims for the masses. Imo it really doesn't matter who was first more who has a system that works well and makes it standard on all trims in their lineup which is seems like honda, toyota, subaru, kia, and hyundai are all doing now. Which is a massive win for customers and the only thing that truly matters

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