Comma.ai Open Pilot

[chunky_mike]

I know that technically the Telluride is not supported in this Level 2 autonomy project, but the Hyundai Palisade is. Since the two models are pretty similar, I was just curious if anyone has invested in the upgrade yet or tried to find out if it is technically feasible. Seems like a pretty impressive system and I like the fact that they are continuously making it better. I definitely would consider it if I knew that the Telluride was supported.

 

[wcarlson40]

I'm wanting to pull the trigger on this too. I can't imaging the Telluride wouldn't be supported if the Palisade is. I'm pretty sure they offer a money back guarantee if it doesn't work. I'm just waiting to justify the $1000 to my wife

 

[BasilFawlty]

Not me - I enjoy the act of actually driving.

 

[aperry]

I spent a couple hours watching Youtube videos of the Comma AI system. It certainly does look interesting and innovative. A couple of things eventually turned me off to it, including the fact that the hardware is literally a no-name branded mobile phone encased in a cheaply designed (seemingly 3D printed) enclosure. Watching the interviews with the founder/leader of the company didn't exactly inspire confidence either. That said, reviews of the system look very promising especially if you're a tinkerer and love testing beta versions of software.

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[szillaxl]

Yeah lol plus I could easily just mod the Palisade software and post it in the repo and it may or may not be good or tested and it could lead to issues. The Korean devs have the Palisade there to work and test on. No Tellys there and I dont see many American devs interested in the Tellys yet its too new and the sales numbers though good aren't cause for software development. The Comma system is good but the HDA, SCC and LKA are also very good in the Telly.

 

[szillaxl]

Yeah lol plus I could easily just mod the Palisade software and post it in the repo and it may or may not be good or tested and it could lead to issues. The Korean devs have the Palisade there to work and test on. No Tellys there and I dont see many American devs interested in the Tellys yet its too new and the sales numbers though good aren't cause for software development. The Comma system is good but the HDA, SCC and LKA are also very good in the Telly. Comma is good for older cars Id say

 

[chunky_mike]

Just wanted to add a quick update here, there is a user on Discord (the forum that a lot of chatter about development for Open Pilot is on) who wrote to me after I posted on the forum who said that he has a 2021 Telluride and that he installed the Hyundai Palisade's harness to his Telluride and that Open Pilot is working great for him. Sounds encouraging- I probably will not jump on quite yet until there is more development and I see more reports of long term reliability, but still, pretty cool.

 

[stecky]

I have the openpilot system in my Passport and from what I am hearing about the telly's self-driving capabilities I don't think there would be much you would gain from OP. I've even seen some comments that indicate that former OP users who bought a Palisade or Telluride have stopped using OP

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[chunky_mike]

Just an update- I asked the user if the upgrade to Comma.ai Open Pilot was better than the already outstand LKA that I use every day and this is what he said:

"Definitely yes. I’ve had a comma eon gold for the past year. Got it for a Toyota Corolla and when I was looking for a family SUV I made sure that whatever I got was OP compatible. It’s just amazing for long trips and much better than stock."

Good to know- I'll be keeping an eye on developments!

 

[wcarlson40]

Nice to know. The other advantage over stock Kia LKA is that you don't have to keep tapping the steering wheel every few minutes. Comma AI makes sure you are paying attention by watching your eyes, which to me seems more effortless

 

[G-690084]

Just wanted to add a quick update here, there is a user on Discord (the forum that a lot of chatter about development for Open Pilot is on) who wrote to me after I posted on the forum who said that he has a 2021 Telluride and that he installed the Hyundai Palisade's harness to his Telluride and that Open Pilot is working great for him. Sounds encouraging- I probably will not jump on quite yet until there is more development and I see more reports of long term reliability, but still, pretty cool.

Did you ever hear more from the user?

 

[johnlips]

Anyone use a Comma with openpilot on the Telluride using the Hyunda harness?

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[krantanen]

Anyone use a Comma with openpilot on the Telluride using the Hyunda harness?

Some earlier said that using the Palisade harness did work on the Telluride.

 

[wcarlson40]

Hey y'all, I just received my Comma 3 device! Yes, you need the Hyundai H harness for your Telluride.

I'm waiting for my windshield mount to "cure" for 48 hours, then I will post more details on my experience.

I will say that one issue I've run into so far is that the windshield mount is made for a more "horizontal sloped" windshield than the more "vertically sloped" windshield on the Telluride. I had to epoxy a shim to the mount to get the right angle for the device.

The Hyundai Palisade and the Kia Telluride are basically the same car to Comma OpenPilot.

Here's a comparison video of a stock Palisade vs Comma OpenPilot to whet your appetite!

 

[aperry]

Hey y'all, I just received my Comma 3 device! Yes, you need the Hyundai H harness for your Telluride.

I'm waiting for my windshield mount to "cure" for 48 hours, then I will post more details on my experience.

I will say that one issue I've run into so far is that the windshield mount is made for a more "horizontal sloped" windshield than the more "vertically sloped" windshield on the Telluride. I had to epoxy a shim to the mount to get the right angle for the device.

The Hyundai Palisade and the Kia Telluride are basically the same car to Comma OpenPilot.

Here's a comparison video of a stock Palisade vs Comma OpenPilot to whet your appetite!

That's a pretty interesting video. I like the stock system, but I do not trust it around curves. In my experience it can only handle the slightest of curves, and I've noticed times when it would not be able to stay centered and instead drift out to the edge of the curve until it crosses the lane line, and then immediately disengage, which would send you off the road if you don't immediately take control. This could probably be designed better with an earlier warning. And trust me, I get it, you always have to be ready to take control. But this system would be much better if it had a stronger cornering ability. Based on this review, it sounds like the system is capable of this, but the software limits it at a much lower threshold compared to OpenPilot (which is disappointing IMHO).

 

[itsmeken]

I agree with @aperry. I too found the video appealing and wish the stock system provided this same level of control. I do not trust the stock system on curves and agree when it disengages you better be right there to correct it. It would be huge if the stock system worked as well as what is demonstrated in this Comma 3 video. However, it's a pricey upgrade for that control.

@wcarlson40 we are all looking forward to your review. Any video of the installation and the results would be greatly appreciated. Also, any parts list/links to what you had to purchase to make it work. Thanks!

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[Tellthemride]

I do not trust the stock system on curves and agree when it disengages you better be right there to correct it. It would be huge if the stock system worked as well as what is demonstrated in this Comma 3 video.

They kind of addressed this with NSCC-C on the 2022 models. But it is still flawed because relies on “HDA approved” roadways. Whereas a more sophisticated system can probably work on all curved roads.

 

[aperry]

They kind of addressed this with NSCC-C on the 2022 models. But it is still flawed because relies on “HDA approved” roadways. Whereas a more sophisticated system can probably work on all curved roads.

Interesting, I hadn't noticed that improvement in 2022. I have a 2021 model. Most of the highways I drive here in the northeast appear to be "HDA", so I guess I need a new Telly

 

[itsmeken]

They kind of addressed this with NSCC-C on the 2022 models. But it is still flawed because relies on “HDA approved” roadways. Whereas a more sophisticated system can probably work on all curved roads.

That's what I'm hoping for is the ability to work on all curved roads (even decreasing radius curves) and to manage safe speed while turning.

 

[chunky_mike]

Yes! Please give us a review of the Comma.Ai 3- I’ve been waiting for some real world Telly feedback.