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I love my Telluride but . . .

Yossarian

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Background:
I purchased a 2022 Telly last year but had to "settle" for an EX-P rather then the SX-P I wanted due to the extended wait for the latter. I really like the Telluride but also really want some of the features of the SX-P. The problem is that a new Telluride SX-P AWD with the options I want now sells for around $66,000 in my neck of the woods, totally due to every local dealer adding a $10k "market adjustment."

I realize that if I want to stick with a Telluride, there are dealers in other states that are still selling at, or close to MSRP. I'm very reluctant to go that route however, based on my previous very unpleasant experience in getting warranty work done at local dealers on cars not purchased from them. The Pallisade is an option, and in fact the Calligraphy has a nicer interior than the Telluride, but the poor-man's Lexus look of the Hyundai is a real turn off.

I haven't yet decided how to proceed, and think I will just wait a bit. The Mazda CX-90 is already in driveways in some parts of the world and should be on sale in the US next year. I seriously considered the CX-9 before I bought the Telluride and actually preferred it in some important ways. Mazdas have always been driver's cars, and the CX-9 handled significantly better than the Telly, while being at least as comfortable and almost as roomy. It's downfall from my perspective was the engine, which is too small to tow comfortably with. The CX-90 has an inline 6 that will make about 325 hp, so should fix that issue and if the rumors about an upscale interior are true, will make the Mazda a genuine, but less costly, rival to the BMW X5 and Acura MDX. It will be very stiff competition for the Telluride and will beat it on cost given the ridiculous Kia dealer markups/

In my view, Kia is making a huge mistake in not reigning in these excessive dealer markups on the Telluride. They've now officially lost me as a repeat customer, someone who bought or leased multiple Volvo's exclusively for 15 years and would have been a loyal Kia customer (an aside: I would have leased an XC-90 instead of buying the Telly if it too did not have an anemic 4-cylinder powerplant). The bottom line is I'd be very happy with an SX-P but not at $66,000, a price point that can get you a true luxury car with better performance than a Telluride.

While I probably won't opt to spend that kind of money on a car, if I did, the BMW X5 would be my choice, not a Telluride selling for 20% over list. I'm already on the wait list for the CX-90, so stay tuned for more info on this Telluride alternative.

Sorry Kia, but with your dealers doing their best to drive your current customers to other brands, and you not doing anything about the cause, you have only yourself to blame.
 
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what features do you want?...

i am very interested to see what mazda come up with in the future...they have to shake things up to stay relevant...if you want performance i would imagine the mazda would be better than most others in the suv size class...between palisade and telluride it's just about features, looks and price as they have the same guts...we would not have bought the telluride if there was a markup...i would never give my money to a dealer that does that
 
what features do you want?...
What I'd like to have most are the 360 degree camera, front proximity warning and seat memory. The other SX-P features like the HUD are nice, but easier to do without. I agree that there is little practical difference between the Pallidsade and the Telluride and I can actually get a Pallisade locally at MSRP. I really don't like the look of the Hyundai, and I hate the button shifter, though the Calligraphy interior is appealing and nicer than the Telly's. My EX-P is a terrific car though, so it's not much of a hardship to hold on to it for a few more months and wait for the CX-90.
 
"very unpleasant experience in getting warranty work done at local dealers on cars not purchased from them"

🤷‍♂️ Have never heard this before, dealers service cars that were not bought from their stores ALL THE TIME.
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"very unpleasant experience in getting warranty work done at local dealers on cars not purchased from them"

🤷‍♂️ Have never heard this before, dealers service cars that were not bought from their stores ALL THE TIME.
There is a BMW dealership in my city that made it clear if you did not buy your car from them, you never would qualify for a loaner car for servicing. I went there once and never came back for warranty work. So yeah, it happens and not just with Kia.
 
As far as what would replace the Telluride, good luck and let me know when you find it. The Mazda's interior space is poor. The X5 isn't a 3rd row seat vehicle. Just because you can shoe horn one in doesn't mean it works. Trust me because I have been looking. The more I look, the more I see why it hits so many desired.
 
Background:
I purchased a 2022 Telly last year but had to "settle" for an EX-P rather then the SX-P I wanted due to the extended wait for the latter. I really like the Telluride but also really want some of the features of the SX-P. The problem is that a new Telluride SX-P AWD with the options I want now sells for around $66,000 in my neck of the woods, totally due to every local dealer adding a $10k "market adjustment."

I realize that if I want to stick with a Telluride, there are dealers in other states that are still selling at, or close to MSRP. I'm very reluctant to go that route however, based on my previous very unpleasant experience in getting warranty work done at local dealers on cars not purchased from them. The Pallisade is an option, and in fact the Calligraphy has a nicer interior than the Telluride, but the poor-man's Lexus look of the Hyundai is a real turn off.

I haven't yet decided how to proceed, and think I will just wait a bit. The Mazda CX-90 is already in driveways in some parts of the world and should be on sale in the US next year. I seriously considered the CX-9 before I bought the Telluride and actually preferred it in some important ways. Mazdas have always been driver's cars, and the CX-9 handled significantly better than the Telly, while being at least as comfortable and almost as roomy. It's downfall from my perspective was the engine, which is too small to tow comfortably with. The CX-90 has an inline 6 that will make about 325 hp, so should fix that issue and if the rumors about an upscale interior are true, will make the Mazda a genuine, but less costly, rival to the BMW X5 and Acura MDX. It will be very stiff competition for the Telluride and will beat it on cost given the ridiculous Kia dealer markups/

In my view, Kia is making a huge mistake in not reigning in these excessive dealer markups on the Telluride. They've now officially lost me as a repeat customer, someone who bought or leased multiple Volvo's exclusively for 15 years and would have been a loyal Kia customer (an aside: I would have leased an XC-90 instead of buying the Telly if it too did not have an anemic 4-cylinder powerplant). The bottom line is I'd be very happy with an SX-P but not at $66,000, a price point that can get you a true luxury car with better performance than a Telluride.

While I probably won't opt to spend that kind of money on a car, if I did, the BMW X5 would be my choice, not a Telluride selling for 20% over list. I'm already on the wait list for the CX-90, so stay tuned for more info on this Telluride alternative.

Sorry Kia, but with your dealers doing their best to drive your current customers to other brands, and you not doing anything about the cause, you have only yourself to blame.
Where is the CX-90 already for sale? It is listed as a 2024 model, at least in the U.S.
 
The CX-9 is not "almost" as roomy as the Telluride, unless you are childless, don't haul their friends around on short trips, or go on any trips where you pack a lot of cargo. If it's simply a commuter vehicle and you'll always have 4 or less passengers, it could work, but it simply isn't a substitute for the larger 3-row crossovers in the category.
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What I'd like to have most are the 360 degree camera, front proximity warning and seat memory. The other SX-P features like the HUD are nice, but easier to do without. I agree that there is little practical difference between the Pallidsade and the Telluride and I can actually get a Pallisade locally at MSRP. I really don't like the look of the Hyundai, and I hate the button shifter, though the Calligraphy interior is appealing and nicer than the Telly's. My EX-P is a terrific car though, so it's not much of a hardship to hold on to it for a few more months and wait for the CX-90.
the 360 camera is great...i want that in my next car (telluride is wife's)...i don't even have a backup camera in my car now...front proximity warning is not a must have for us...the seat memory is a must have which was one of my conditions for when we were buying...another thing i want in my next car...below is my list for when we were shopping...wanted the bench seat and wanted smaller wheels with bigger tires

needs (i'm sure this will expand):
-reliability
-3rd row seating
-sliding 2nd row seating (not folding, for carseat)
-2nd row bench vs captains chairs, unsure...would like the bench just due to having an extra seat and if we want to put a dog in the back
-leather (because dogs)
-towing package with decent capacity (would like to buy a small bowrider boat in the future)
-be able to fit in the garage have about 18’ of space would like to have 2’-3’ of that to walk around the front or back of an suv and her car is 15.9’ long and 6.1’ wide (may have to rearrange some things in the garage to make more room)
-awd or fwd (not even sure what the options are yet as i haven't looked)
-not a cvt transmission
-decent fuel mileage
-smaller wheels with more tire
-splash guards
-all weather floor mat and trunk tray

wants (i'm sure this will expand):
-dual driver memory settings
-dual bluetooth phone connections
 
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The CX-9 is not "almost" as roomy as the Telluride, unless you are childless, don't haul their friends around on short trips, or go on any trips where you pack a lot of cargo. If it's simply a commuter vehicle and you'll always have 4 or less passengers, it could work, but it simply isn't a substitute for the larger 3-row crossovers in the category.
this is true...better performance but less space and cargo room...all the suvs with slanted rear hatches lack space...the boxier rear ends house more cargo room...i am interested to see how the new pilot compares

 
this is true...better performance but less space and cargo room...all the suvs with slanted rear hatches lack space...the boxier rear ends house more cargo room...i am interested to see how the new pilot compares

New Pilot doesn't completely inspire me from a design perspective, but that is subjective. My wife drives our Telluride and I am still rocking the '14 "boxy" style Honda Pilot. May replace in next 1-2 years and will give the new Pilot a look along with a few other options. Should get on a list now for a 2024-2025 Telluride!
 
A cx9 is the same size inside as a sorento, not even remotely close to a telluride. I can’t speak for the T5 Xc-90 but the t6 is significantly more powerful than our tellurides.
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New Pilot doesn't completely inspire me from a design perspective, but that is subjective. My wife drives our Telluride and I am still rocking the '14 "boxy" style Honda Pilot. May replace in next 1-2 years and will give the new Pilot a look along with a few other options. Should get on a list now for a 2024-2025 Telluride!
i actually like the older style pilot as well as the older ridgeline...if honda would bring back a hybrid element i would be all over that...my wife drives the telluride and i drive a '13 subaru legacy with 211k miles and gets around 25mpg that consumes oil at a rate of a quart/1000 miles...i would like more cargo room but i want better gas mileage...a wagon/hybrid wagon would suit my needs but premium brands make them (volvo, vw, audi, mercedes & bmw) and i don't want a premium brand and have to pay more for parts and repairs as well as do more maintenance to keep it running...i would be in on a honda element hybrid or bring back the accord wagon...but this country is all about suvs
 
The CX-9 is not "almost" as roomy as the Telluride, unless you are childless, don't haul their friends around on short trips, or go on any trips where you pack a lot of cargo. If it's simply a commuter vehicle and you'll always have 4 or less passengers, it could work, but it simply isn't a substitute for the larger 3-row crossovers in the category.
We are talking about the upcoming CX-90, which is built a new platform, and will have a newly designed powertrain as well. We don't have the interior specs yet, but the CX-90 is reported to be quite a bit larger than the CX-9 and roughly the size of the Telluride. The new model is different enough from the CX-9 that Mazda may actually produce and sell both models.
 
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There is a BMW dealership in my city that made it clear if you did not buy your car from them, you never would qualify for a loaner car for servicing. I went there once and never came back for warranty work. So yeah, it happens and not just with Kia.
This is one of the issues that I was referring to, and that has happened to me. Difficulty in getting warranty work approved and very protracted repair times are other issues that have cropped up. These may be outliers, or I may just have bad luck, but I'd prefer not to further test those theories.
 
I also am very interested in the Mazda CX-90 from a space standpoint as well as efficiency. I loved my 6 and my wife’s CX-5. If it’s close on space, and the efficiency is better with plug-in hybrid options I might have to take a hard look at that.

Space is never been their thing, though. My 6 was smaller compared to a Camry, and the CX-5 was smaller compared to a RAV4, or even the Tucson that we replaced it with. that was the main reason I went with the Telluride over a CX-9, although I love how the CX-9 drives.
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I also am very interested in the Mazda CX-90 from a space standpoint as well as efficiency. I loved my 6 and my wife’s CX-5. If it’s close on space, and the efficiency is better with plug-in hybrid options I might have to take a hard look at that.

Space is never been their thing, though. My 6 was smaller compared to a Camry, and the CX-5 was smaller compared to a RAV4, or even the Tucson that we replaced it with. that was the main reason I went with the Telluride over a CX-9, although I love how the CX-9 drives.
i had an '05 mazda 6 which ran into 240k miles...was a great car with minimal repairs...the wheel well rot near the end was not great...i have no problem going back to a mazda though...i am interested in the cx70 but even the cx90 looks on the small side...not sure what the cx70 will be like size wise...the european cx60 hybrid looks like it would work just fine for me but it's coming in over $40k so i'll most likely be out on these as i'm looking to be more in the range of $30k with my next car...probably looking at a camry hybrid or rav4 hybrid

 
"very unpleasant experience in getting warranty work done at local dealers on cars not purchased from them"

🤷‍♂️ Have never heard this before, dealers service cars that were not bought from their stores ALL THE TIME.
Not the one in my area.
They were reluctant, shrugged me off, and told to best take it where I had bought the vehicle from.
And that dealer ship is an hour away from me but I have no choice.

If only KIA s didn’t have so many defects I wouldn’t have to take frequently trips to dealer.

Contacted kia Canada and they said not much they could do as dealerships are independently owned.
 
Sounds like the CX90 will be a hot commdity. I bet Mazda dealers already have their calulators working overtime to "gonk-ulate" the amount of market adjustment they'll add to it once they get deliveries. They'll be looking across the street at the Kia dealer and laugh all the way to the bank.
 
Hopefully Mazda makes that CX-90 larger because the interior space in the CX-9 is a joke. Coming from a VW GTI, I of course cross shopped the CX-9 but the second I looked in the trunk I was out. It's too bad because I loved how the CX-9 looked and drove but with two kids under 3 years old, I just need the massive space of the Telluride. The Telluride has so much cargo room that I can just toss massive amounts of stuff in the trunk without a second thought and then also somehow fit the dog back there.
 




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