Excessive oil consumption

[barwick11]

Why do you doubt?

I doubt because we no longer have $7,000 in our bank account because, despite being SIX quarts low on oil 5k miles after an oil change, our Telluride oil pressure light never came on.

If there's less than 0.9 quarts of oil circulating through the engine at any one time while it's running, I'd be surprised beyond belief. Not to mention oil clinging to parts throughout the engine, the oil pan, etc.

 

[Point37]

Ah.. we are moving forward.

Unfortunately for your theory, the engine oil pressure does not depend on the amount of oil in the engine. As long as the oil level is enough to cover the oil pump inlet, the pump outlet pressure will be unaffected by the total engine oil level. The outlet pressure is determined, roughly speaking, by the design of the pump, the temperature of the oil, and the bearing clearances. So pressure will stay in the design range until the pump inlet sees oil foam or no oil at all. Then it will head towards zero very quickly. The exact trigger pressure of the sensor makes little or no difference.

Re damage when the light comes on because of low oil level, that is mostly under control of the driver. Yes, there will almost certainly be damage. If he shuts down the engine quickly and is lucky, maybe only bearings will be damaged and the rebuild will be relatively cheap. If he missed the warning and the result is a broken rod and a hole in the case, that is not repairable.

i think we are saying the same thing...all i was saying is the existing low oil pressure light doesn't work for anyone on here and the way these engines chew up oil they should have designed a low oil level light similar to my subaru...2 lights for added protection...there is little to no damage if they would have designed a low oil level light to come on when it's 1qt low

 

[Point37]

I doubt because we no longer have $7,000 in our bank account because, despite being SIX quarts low on oil 5k miles after an oil change, our Telluride oil pressure light never came on.

If there's less than 0.9 quarts of oil circulating through the engine at any one time while it's running, I'd be surprised beyond belief. Not to mention oil clinging to parts throughout the engine, the oil pan, etc.

^^^this is what i mean...pretty sure there are plenty of instances like this on here where no one has had the low oil pressure light pop on despite the engine have almost no oil in it...that's a defect and they are not addressing it

 

[barwick11]

^^^this is what i mean...pretty sure there are plenty of instances like this on here where no one has had the low oil pressure light pop on despite the engine have almost no oil in it...that's a defect and they are not addressing it

Considering Hyundai has been subject of a successful class action on the Palisade for this very same issue with this exact engine, I don't know how Kia is getting away without doing something.

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[OldPilot]

successful class action on the Palisade

Do you have a reference or link that documents this? IANAL but I don't find anything. There was a suit by 8 people that was dismissed a couple of years ago (Hyundai class action over excessive oil consumption dismissed) and a bigger one covering older vehicles that did not include the Palisade or the Telluride engines (Hyundai and Kia Oil Consumption Class Action Settled – California Consumer Attorneys Blog) but that's all I found. (The second link is a bit of chest-thumping by a law firm, so I would not expect to find complete information and maybe not even 100% accurate information. But it's there.)

For the record, another anecdote: My '24 is coming up on 5K miles and has not use a noticeable amount of oil. I check about every 1K miles by using the service reminder function in the car. Very easy once I figured out the dipstick o-ring seal goofiness. I have never seen, and do not expect to ever see, the low pressure light illuminated when the engine is running.

@Point37, you are still mixing up level and pressure. Its really no surprise that the low pressure warning does not report low oil level. The Kia-provided device that will tell you about low oil level is, of course, the dip stick.

 

[Point37]

@Point37, you are still mixing up level and pressure. Its really no surprise that the low pressure warning does not report low oil level. The Kia-provided device that will tell you about low oil level is, of course, the dip stick.

i am not mixing up anything...you're not understanding what i'm saying...i realize that a low pressure light and a low level light (that the telluride doesn't have) do not function the same way...but when the low pressure light comes on it does indicate dangerously low oil level nearing engine failure...the telluride has a low oil pressure light that doesn't provide any benefit to anyone...if the light comes on you have so little oil left that you already have engine damage...so if it ever turns on it's too late, so what good is it?...your engine is already toast...@barwick11 & @Kao provided anecdotal evidence which is similar to other incidents i have read about on this forum...i realize the telluride does not have an additional low oil level indicator...but it should due to the fact that these engines are designed to consume oil...all gdi engines should have a low oil level light...poor design...that is all i'm saying

 

[Par4anne]

i think we are saying the same thing...all i was saying is the existing low oil pressure light doesn't work for anyone on here and the way these engines chew up oil they should have designed a low oil level light similar to my subaru...2 lights for added protection...there is little to no damage if they would have designed a low oil level light to come on when it's 1qt low

I came here thinking I was the only one. 6 weeks between oil changes and I am down to, 2 quarts. No lights, no warning, just stalling, 2 times in the garage. 1st time they did oil change and $700 to replace a cam position sensor, only to find out this time it was always low oil. 400 miles over 100,000. I am furious. My friend just had her engine replaced on her Palaside due to the same issue. I feel completely scammed by KIA.

 

[ganseg]

What oil change intervals are people following who has this problem? I am thinking of trying a new oil - Valvoline Restore and Protect to keep my piston rings cleaned up.

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[Kao]

What oil change intervals are people following who has this problem? I am thinking of trying a new oil - Valvoline Restore and Protect to keep my piston rings cleaned up.

Keep us posted

 

[OldPilot]

... No lights, no warning, just stalling, 2 times in the garage. ...

WADR I think you have been misinformed. I know of nothing in the oil system that would cause an engine to stall and be restart-able. An engine can seize if the oil flow to the bearings stops, but then it won't turn over again.

Re no lights if the oil level is down to two quarts, as long as the inlet to the oil pump is getting oil, pressure will be normal or close to normal and the low pressure light will not illuminate. It takes near-zero oil pressure to trigger the light, at least on any car I've owned.

 

[barwick11]

Kia Telluride: The RX-7 of the 2020's... "What's that? Your engine made it to 110,000 miles without needing to be replaced? You're above average!"

 

[Par4anne]

Kia Telluride: The RX-7 of the 2020's... "What's that? Your engine made it to 110,000 miles without needing to be replaced? You're above average!"

That made me laugh and cry. Not one problem until 95,000 miles, then as soon as I hit 100,000, it was too late. I am just glad for this forum, otherwise I may be out more than oil. Now I have reminder on phone every week to check my oil. <meh>.

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[ganseg]

2020 Telluride w/120k started burning oil like nuts around 95k. We've had the shuttering at the stoplight and seen some black exhaust from the tailpipe during heavy acceleration at different points. Yesterday, I added 5 quarts of oil to bring it back up to full. I'm not a car guy, can someone tell me where all of this oil is going? Also, do the newer models run the same engine and suffer from the same issue? I actually really like the car other than this one major issue.

It is burning it. My guess is the low tension rings on the pistons are bound up and letting oil into the combustion chamber. At how many miles did you have your oil changes done and how long have you owned it?

 

[OldPilot]

That made me laugh and cry. Not one problem until 95,000 miles, then as soon as I hit 100,000, it was too late. I am just glad for this forum, otherwise I may be out more than oil. Now I have reminder on phone every week to check my oil. <meh>.

Approaching 6K miles my 2024 is not using any oil. I have the maintenance reminder set to remind me to check every 1,000 miles. That interval is probably similar to what I have done for other cars over the years, even my dear departed RX-8. If there is any indication of oil usage I will shorten the interval until I figure out what is going on. I don't drive enough to need a check every week, at least so far.

I had a Nissan Frontier that went 130,000 miles with no oil used, then the oil pan started with a rust hole leak. It amused my son when I had to hunt for the oil fill cap. I had never used it before. Hopefully the Tellie will be just as good.

 

[Dpeep]

My 21 Telly is at 80000 and no oil light, weird sound, checked and completely dry. No we r in the process of doing an oil consumption test-every 1000 miles, stop on and check it…how long is this process going to take and what are the magic words I say??

 

[Kao]

Don't understand how this class action lawsuit got dismissed. Hyundai Palisade was successful, from what I've read.

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[Par4anne]

Don't understand how this class action lawsuit got dismissed. Hyundai Palisade was successful, from what I've read.

So I deep dove this a while back. And there was a class action suit with a voluntary settlement that expired July 2024. You got reimbursement for service bills and an extended warranty to 150,000. I don't know what happens to those of us past the deadline still experiencing the issues.

 

[Kao]

Thank you. Good information. I'm at 105k, but bought extended warranty from Lucas at Kia of Muncie. Paid it at steep discount. I have gotten my money's worth off that warranty with electronic problems and broken rear shocks. It was worth every cent. Never bought a new car warranty before this one.

 

[ganseg]

My 21 Telly is at 80000 and no oil light, weird sound, checked and completely dry. No we r in the process of doing an oil consumption test-every 1000 miles, stop on and check it…how long is this process going to take and what are the magic words I say??

How often was your oil changed over the 80k? I am at 60k and did 5000 mile oil changes at the dealer. I switched to doing it myself at 54k with top quality oil and it got dirtier than usual. I took that to mean my oil from the dealer wasn't great. Now I have a stronger cleaning oil in there, but only 1000 miles so far. I am hoping that it will help my engine get cleaned up and not fail.

 

[Dpeep]

I just follow the dealership recommendations. I was 800 miles away from needing to come in for another oil change.