Is there any news on Telluride deliveries relative to COVID19?

[PaulD]

I'm wondering of Kia has made any announcements to dealers. I can't see how this won't have an effect on delivery times.

 

[markjenn]

The next 2-3 months will tell the tale. Things could stabilize and continue relatively unchanged, but if there are significant outbreaks at the Telluride plant in Georgia (or major sub-assembly suppliers) I could easily see total suspensions of production for an indefinite period. Things can change in a matter of days, like what has happened literally overnight in the sports world.

Extremely unpredictable situation.

- Mark

 

[Pikachu]

China has already started seeing a decline. Peak was in February. Data don't lie unlike some mass media rumors. Now it's other countries turn to gradually see increase, peak and then go to decline. Considering that it's not an airborne virus like measles for example, unless someone coughs or sneeze right in your face, you can only get infected if you touch contaminated surface and then touch your mouth, nose or eyes. So hand washing is preventive. Considering plant in Georgia (like every other plant) has workers working within some distance from each other and most of them work in gloves - there's very low chance of plant closing. Many plants in China are operating with minimal changes and they had so far highest number of infected people.
It took about 3 months to see decline in China (started in December, 2019), so we'll be over this pandemic at about end of May. Maybe even faster as in USA conditions are vastly different than in overcrowded China. Main reason why we don't see similar numbers by now as compared to similar timeframe in China (in China within first month they had 30k of infected already back in January). We only have about 1k or so.

 

[PaulD]

China has already started seeing a decline. Peak was in February. Data don't lie unlike some mass media rumors. Now it's other countries turn to gradually see increase, peak and then go to decline. Considering that it's not an airborne virus like measles for example, unless someone coughs or sneeze right in your face, you can only get infected if you touch contaminated surface and then touch your mouth, nose or eyes. So hand washing is preventive. Considering plant in Georgia (like every other plant) has workers working within some distance from each other and most of them work in gloves - there's very low chance of plant closing. Many plants in China are operating with minimal changes and they had so far highest number of infected people.
It took about 3 months to see decline in China (started in December, 2019), so we'll be over this pandemic at about end of May. Maybe even faster as in USA conditions are vastly different than in overcrowded China. Main reason why we don't see similar numbers by now as compared to similar timeframe in China (in China within first month they had 30k of infected already back in January). We only have about 1k or so.

There is evidence the virus is airborne.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Transmission

COVID-19 is most often spread from person to person among close contacts.

www.cdc.gov

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[TheNip73]

There is news - Kia said anyone discussing production rates related to the virus will have their order cancelled

 

[GabeBKlyn]

China has already started seeing a decline. Peak was in February. Data don't lie unlike some mass media rumors. Now it's other countries turn to gradually see increase, peak and then go to decline. Considering that it's not an airborne virus like measles for example, unless someone coughs or sneeze right in your face, you can only get infected if you touch contaminated surface and then touch your mouth, nose or eyes. So hand washing is preventive. Considering plant in Georgia (like every other plant) has workers working within some distance from each other and most of them work in gloves - there's very low chance of plant closing. Many plants in China are operating with minimal changes and they had so far highest number of infected people.
It took about 3 months to see decline in China (started in December, 2019), so we'll be over this pandemic at about end of May. Maybe even faster as in USA conditions are vastly different than in overcrowded China. Main reason why we don't see similar numbers by now as compared to similar timeframe in China (in China within first month they had 30k of infected already back in January). We only have about 1k or so.

I wouldn’t be too sure. There is a reason China saw a decline and some of their measures are much easier in an authoritarian state. Think fever clinics, mass testing and family separations. Listen to this mornings NY Times Daily podcast. It’s very interesting. If nothing else, it makes clear we are not doing remotely enough to respond successfully to the challenge. The administration was in denial, wished the problem away and dropped the ball badly. Let’s hope the states and corps can somehow come through.

Why the U.S. Wasn’t Ready for the Coronavirus

Podcast Episode · The Daily · 03/11/2020 · Subscribers Only · 24m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Pikachu]

There is evidence the virus is airborne.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Transmission

COVID-19 is most often spread from person to person among close contacts.

www.cdc.gov

Lol what? Gotta love when people who know nothing about medicine spread their faulty conclusions. Please go and read the page you posted. There is no evidence whatsoever that coronavirus is airborn.

Here's what it says in your link:
"Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs".

You are mistakenly thinking droplet spread is airborn lol. It's not. You just don't know terminology. Droplet spread is exactly what I explained in my original post - please go and reread, maybe you'll learn something useful - how to stay safe. I'm serious.

 

[PaulD]

There is news - Kia said anyone discussing production rates related to the virus will have their order cancelled

At this point, I'd be happy about it. Prices will likely be lower in a few months.

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[GEAR_HEAD]

I wouldn’t be too sure. There is a reason China saw a decline and some of their measures are much easier in an authoritarian state. Think fever clinics, mass testing and family separations. Listen to this mornings NY Times Daily podcast. It’s very interesting. If nothing else, it makes clear we are not doing remotely enough to respond successfully to the challenge. The administration was in denial, wished the problem away and dropped the ball badly. Let’s hope the states and corps can somehow come through.

Why the U.S. Wasn’t Ready for the Coronavirus

Podcast Episode · The Daily · 03/11/2020 · Subscribers Only · 24m

podcasts.apple.com

How was the administration in denial when travel bans began at the end of January and the Democrats said the President was racist and overreacting for taking early action to keep us safe? If you're listening to a NY Times podcast for your liberal fake news you are grossly misinformed.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Lol what? Gotta love when people who know nothing about medicine spread their faulty conclusions. Please go and read the page you posted. There is no evidence whatsoever that coronavirus is airborn.

Here's what it says in your link:
"Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs".

You are mistakenly thinking droplet spread is airborn lol. It's not. You just don't know terminology. Droplet spread is exactly what I explained in my original post - please go and reread, maybe you'll learn something useful - how to stay safe. I'm serious.

I think the verdict is still out on this...

Federally funded tests conducted by scientists from several major institutions indicated that the novel form of coronavirus behind a worldwide outbreak can survive in the air for several hours.

A study awaiting peer review from scientists at Princeton University, the University of California-Los Angeles and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) posted online Wednesday indicated that the COVID-19 virus could remain viable in the air "up to 3 hours post aerosolization," while remaining alive on plastic and other surfaces for up to three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," reads the study's abstract.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I wouldn’t be too sure. There is a reason China saw a decline and some of their measures are much easier in an authoritarian state. Think fever clinics, mass testing and family separations. Listen to this mornings NY Times Daily podcast. It’s very interesting. If nothing else, it makes clear we are not doing remotely enough to respond successfully to the challenge. The administration was in denial, wished the problem away and dropped the ball badly. Let’s hope the states and corps can somehow come through.

Why the U.S. Wasn’t Ready for the Coronavirus

Podcast Episode · The Daily · 03/11/2020 · Subscribers Only · 24m

podcasts.apple.com

How was the administration in denial when travel bans began at the end of January and the Democrats said the President was racist and overreacting for taking early action to keep us safe? If you're listening to a NY Times podcast for your liberal fake news you are grossly misinformed.

Please keep political comments on out of our discussions as best as you can. We don't need arguing back and forth about it going on here. Further comments in relation to politics will result in thread/discussion bans...

 

[GabeBKlyn]

Please keep political comments on out of our discussions as best as you can. We don't need arguing back and forth about it going on here. Further comments in relation to politics will result in thread/discussion bans...

Sorry but you should delete his comment w/o warning. At this point, this type of misinformation, which flies in the face of all current expert advice, has the ability to get people killed. It’s dangerous misinformation and should not be tolerated.

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[Average Joe]

How was the administration in denial when travel bans began at the end of January and the Democrats said the President was racist and overreacting for taking early action to keep us safe? If you're listening to a NY Times podcast for your liberal fake news you are grossly misinformed.

Truth!

 

[Average Joe]

Hard to imagine this not impacting demand with a drop in pricing to follow for all makes and models of new (hot) vehicles. Buying a new vehicle is not exactly high on the priority list for most at this stage. Went to an Automall yesterday and it was a ghost town! Plus, imagine getting in and out of vehicles at this stage without knowing how many people have been inside touching everything, or test driving with other individuals in such confined quarters. Auto industry guaranteed to take a hit which should create some deals to be had for those willing to venture out in the coming weeks.

 

[GEAR_HEAD]

Please keep political comments on out of our discussions as best as you can. We don't need arguing back and forth about it going on here. Further comments in relation to politics will result in thread/discussion bans...

I'm all for it! But we can't just let Gphilipson continue to spread media propaganda openly. That is dangerous to everybody. I agree, Gphilipson should have been banned instantly for his dangerous rhetoric. The lies and hysteria that the media is causing is more dangerous than the virus itself, which makes Gphilipson a culprit. It has no place on a car message board.

 

[PaulD]

Lol what? Gotta love when people who know nothing about medicine spread their faulty conclusions. Please go and read the page you posted. There is no evidence whatsoever that coronavirus is airborn.

Here's what it says in your link:
"Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs".

You are mistakenly thinking droplet spread is airborn lol. It's not. You just don't know terminology. Droplet spread is exactly what I explained in my original post - please go and reread, maybe you'll learn something useful - how to stay safe. I'm serious.

Perhaps you should edit the wikipedia article then.

Airborne transmission - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Or, you could take it up with the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/pdf/guidelines/isolation-guidelines-H.pdf

"I.B.3.c. Airborne transmission. Airborne transmission occurs by dissemination of either airborne droplet nuclei or small particles in the respirable size range containing infectious agents that remain infective over time and distance (e.g., spores of Aspergillus spp, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis). Microorganisms carried in this manner may be dispersed over long distances by air currents and may be inhaled by susceptible individuals who have not had face-to-face contact with (or been in the same room with) the infectious individual121-124. Preventing the spread of pathogens that are transmitted by the airborne route requires the use of special air handling and ventilation systems (e.g., AIIRs) to contain and then safely remove the infectious agent11, 12. Infectious agents to which this applies include Mycobacterium tuberculosis124-127, rubeola virus (measles)122, and varicella-zoster virus (chickenpox)123."

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[KalTelly]

This discussion has some perspectives on another thread also. Have a look.

What makes the Novel Coronavirus unique compared to the flu?

One important factor that makes the Novel Coronavirus unique is its ease of spread. Scientists are finding that simply breathing next to someone - who is also simply breathing - can spread the virus from person to person. Making things even more complicated is that we're learning the virus stays...

tellurideforum.org

 

[KalTelly]

Specifically the differentiation between aerosolization and airborne. With some scientific reading options.

 

[BadRabbit]

My ETA is still April 6, hopefully it doesn't change. Hopefully with banks able to borrow at 0% there is an awesome rate with April incentives. At the very least, the 0.9% rate sticks.

 

[darcidar]

My car is coming in this week, maybe even tomorrow. However, I’m in NYS. And everything non-essential shut down Sunday at 8p. Including car dealers. I was told today the earliest they can sell me my car is 4/18, pending NYS reopens.