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Order to delivery time

I spoke with my salesman this afternoon and the order I placed this past February is being changed to a 2021 with no ETA as yet. Originally I was given and ETA of May 6th and then June 27th so fingers crossed it might be end of July? Who knows. I also asked if I can make any additional changes to my order such as changing the exterior color or adding the blackout package and I was told no as the car is being manufactured now - whatever that means.
I placed an order in March and I believe that I can change the order, although my new preference is only possible on 2021s, so the dealer is clueless. I'm not sure why it would make a difference to change it unless it had already been put in KFOS. I have never been given any kind of delivery date.
 
From reading other people's comments, I seems to me that there is a lack of concise information being passed down from Kia to their dealers, from the dealers to the salespeople and from the salespeople to the customer. I know that the pandemic is the cause of the problem so I am not mad at my salesperson but I just want (and need to be honest - current car is near dead) my sweet new Telly!
 
From reading other people's comments, I seems to me that there is a lack of concise information being passed down from Kia to their dealers, from the dealers to the salespeople and from the salespeople to the customer. I know that the pandemic is the cause of the problem so I am not mad at my salesperson but I just want (and need to be honest - current car is near dead) my sweet new Telly!
Operating just like the Federal Government. No one knows anything. NO central message from the mothership.
 
From reading other people's comments, I seems to me that there is a lack of concise information being passed down from Kia to their dealers, from the dealers to the salespeople and from the salespeople to the customer. I know that the pandemic is the cause of the problem so I am not mad at my salesperson but I just want (and need to be honest - current car is near dead) my sweet new Telly!
I believe there is an information issue, but the bigger issue, in my opinion, is that the market value of the Telluride is above MSRP. Dealers who take orders at MSRP, as mine did, basically are reducing their profit because they are using a slotted allocation to sell a car for less than its worth (or they could sell off their lot). The less ethical dealers (not those here) are playing dumb with customers because their backlog is the least profitable sales they will make, but they take orders anyway to prepare for the dry season. Customers ask for updates and they can't provide any information on timing, dates, deliveries or anything because they've never actually entered the order into anything trackable. The moment market values drop below the prices agreed upon in order contracts, you'll see a flood of orders getting manufactured and delivered. If customers balk and back out of the contracts, the dealers take the cars anyway and sell them off their lot--no big deal. Maybe they have to discount, but its worth it to sell above MSRP now.

All of this is pure speculation on my end. Ethical dealers don't have this issue because their off the lot price is the same (or near) the price offered on orders, so they don't have to make a choice when the monthly window opens up.
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Based on the (lack of) supply many people will go to another vehicle. Especially if they urgently need a new vehicle.

If there was a competitive alternative I would have gotten my deposit back and moved on long ago. By the time I understood Kia's allocation system it was 50/50 whether a high volume dealer could get my vehicle any faster. My best guess now is that my total wait time will be close to one year. Kia is extremely lucky to have hit the sweet spot in the market and have no real competition.
 
Ethical car dealers :LOL:
 
If there was a competitive alternative I would have gotten my deposit back and moved on long ago. By the time I understood Kia's allocation system it was 50/50 whether a high volume dealer could get my vehicle any faster. My best guess now is that my total wait time will be close to one year. Kia is extremely lucky to have hit the sweet spot in the market and have no real competition.
The high volume dealers I checked in with all had significant markups, which means the orders, if lower priced, will be very slow in coming despite the higher monthly allocation.
 
I talk to my sales guy today and was told they were resubmitting the order and it will be a 2021. He said that all the orders for November and December have been delivered( I ordered the 2nd week of January). But he couldn't tell me how many orders were in front of me at the time. I’m not sure what this means as in eta.
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I talk to my sales guy today and was told they were resubmitting the order and it will be a 2021. He said that all the orders for November and December have been delivered( I ordered the 2nd week of January). But he couldn't tell me how many orders were in front of me at the time. I’m not sure what this means as in eta.
I've been operating under the assumption all along that orders were arranged on dealer books chronologically. Now I kind of doubt this is true, which is why most dealers can't ever give you an exact number on your place in line. Order placement is probably more likely arranged by profitability. Agreed-to higher prices take priority over lower prices, regardless on when they were placed. I guarantee you if the dealer is asking $1k over MSRP for an order and you offer $3k over with a refundable deposit, you'll get your car quicker. Just makes sense.

I'm considering calling my dealer and offering an extra $1k if delivered by August 15th. At the rate things are going now, I'm looking at September/October at the earliest, unless I'm one of the unfortunate few who discover after six months their dealer never actually placed any kind of order.
 
I've been operating under the assumption all along that orders were arranged on dealer books chronologically. Now I kind of doubt this is true, which is why most dealers can't ever give you an exact number on your place in line. Order placement is probably more likely arranged by profitability. Agreed-to higher prices take priority over lower prices, regardless on when they were placed. I guarantee you if the dealer is asking $1k over MSRP for an order and you offer $3k over with a refundable deposit, you'll get your car quicker. Just makes sense.

I'm considering calling my dealer and offering an extra $1k if delivered by August 15th. At the rate things are going now, I'm looking at September/October at the earliest, unless I'm one of the unfortunate few who discover after six months their dealer never actually placed any kind of order.

There are controls in place to prevent this if dealer enters order into Kdealer system prior to entering into KFOS. That's why we suggest getting a Kdealer printout of your "order" when you place it. If a dealership didn't enter them into Kdealer and just kept a stack of paper files/requests, then I suppose they could get away with the type of behavior you describe.
 
I do feel like I got lost in the system because it’s a msrp sale I could be totally wrong but had he kept my informed and contacted me on at least once over the past 6 months I would have a different opinion. If my wife wasn’t so set on a 6+seater I’d have gone else where months ago.
 
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There are controls in place to prevent this if dealer enters order into Kdealer system prior to entering into KFOS. That's why we suggest getting a Kdealer printout of your "order" when you place it. If a dealership didn't enter them into Kdealer and just kept a stack of paper files/requests, then I suppose they could get away with the type of behavior you describe.
This is naturally the answer. I'm just drawing conclusions based on the inability/unwillingness of my dealer to provide me any kind of information on how many orders are in front of me. Every time I mention the K Dealer system the dealer acts like I'm speaking Portuguese. There obviously is a lot of that floating around on this board too, not just for me.

It's hard for me to believe the system Kia has created is this dysfunctional, regardless of how unexpected the T's popularity has been. I'm just jumping to the conclusion there's human intervention happening here at the dealer level which is not always customer friendly.

Dealers on the board here appear to be exceptions.
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This is naturally the answer. I'm just drawing conclusions based on the inability/unwillingness of my dealer to provide me any kind of information on how many orders are in front of me. There obviously is a lot of that floating around on this board too, not just for me.

It's hard for me to believe the system Kia has created is this dysfunctional, regardless of how unexpected the T's popularity has been. I'm just jumping to the conclusion there's human intervention happening here at the dealer level which is not always customer friendly.

Dealers on the board here appear to be exceptions.

We always advise people who order to get a printout of the dealer request entry from Kdealer. It should show the requested vehicle, an provide an internal order number. Only sales managers can put these in, and it's best to negotiate the price at this stage too. I got a printout in April and everything worked out last year when vehicle was delivered in August - even though the dealer sold a same-spec vehicle as mine a few days prior to mine arriving for $6k more than my negotiated price. But, they were honest and fulfilled their commitment, and I fulfilled my end of the bargain.

SX-Ps are just so hard to come by because most dealers only get 1-2 per month and have 10+ waiting customers. Hopefully with 2021 production, they will produce more of the SX trim.
 
We always advise people who order to get a printout of the dealer request entry from Kdealer. It should show the requested vehicle, an provide an internal order number. Only sales managers can put these in, and it's best to negotiate the price at this stage too. I got a printout in April and everything worked out last year when vehicle was delivered in August - even though the dealer sold a same-spec vehicle as mine a few days prior to mine arriving for $6k more than my negotiated price. But, they were honest and fulfilled their commitment, and I fulfilled my end of the bargain.

SX-Ps are just so hard to come by because most dealers only get 1-2 per month and have 10+ waiting customers. Hopefully with 2021 production, they will produce more of the SX trim.
Good information. Thanks for sharing.
 
We always advise people who order to get a printout of the dealer request entry from Kdealer. It should show the requested vehicle, an provide an internal order number. Only sales managers can put these in, and it's best to negotiate the price at this stage too. I got a printout in April and everything worked out last year when vehicle was delivered in August - even though the dealer sold a same-spec vehicle as mine a few days prior to mine arriving for $6k more than my negotiated price. But, they were honest and fulfilled their commitment, and I fulfilled my end of the bargain.

SX-Ps are just so hard to come by because most dealers only get 1-2 per month and have 10+ waiting customers. Hopefully with 2021 production, they will produce more of the SX trim.
Your case sounds like it worked as it was supposed to. I asked my FIRST dealer for the K dealer printout of my order after three months and got nothing, so we argued for about 90 seconds and then I canceled the order and got my deposit back. I'm on my second dealer now and almost four months in. They, too, have never heard of the K Dealer system. All they offered is the dealer number and give me a customer number and a receipt showing they have my money.

I guess I'm growing a little skeptical at this point.
 
I talked to high volume dealer in Western Canada and they have said that if it isn’t built by now then it will be a 2021 and likely won’t arrive until end of August or September. The also had an internal brochure for the 2021 Telly. My dealer still says I’m getting a 2020 but it hasn’t even been built yet. I don’t really know who to believe anymore. I asked my dealer for a status update from Kia and the update (from the dealer) was that there is no update to report.
the factory has already moved to 21. If yours has not yet been built, how will they make you 20?

Unfortunately, in Canada there is no such system as in America. My status in production is already the fifth week.
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I ordered from Hendrick in Cary NC. I think they are the largest volume Kia Dealer in NC. The agreed price is MSRP and I was given the Kdealer printout before I left the Dealership. As mentioned the Sales Manager enters the orders into Kdealer. How could a Kia Salesman not know what Kdealer is? That seems bizarre. From what has been explained on this forum the Dealers receive a monthly allocation which is broken down by Model. KFOS entry is driven by this allocation so I don't think the Dealer has much disgression in what orders are picked from Kdealer to enter into KFOS. It should be chronological by Model which means someone that ordered a S Model later than someone ordering a SX Model might be entered into KFOS first. It was also mentioned that allocations address FWD and AWD. Not sure about Prestige but one of our Kia Sales guys could answer that.
 
I ordered from Hendrick in Cary NC. I think they are the largest volume Kia Dealer in NC. The agreed price is MSRP and I was given the Kdealer printout before I left the Dealership. As mentioned the Sales Manager enters the orders into Kdealer. How could a Kia Salesman not know what Kdealer is? That seems bizarre. From what has been explained on this forum the Dealers receive a monthly allocation which is broken down by Model. KFOS entry is driven by this allocation so I don't think the Dealer has much disgression in what orders are picked from Kdealer to enter into KFOS. It should be chronological by Model which means someone that ordered a S Model later than someone ordering a SX Model might be entered into KFOS first. It was also mentioned that allocations address FWD and AWD. Not sure about Prestige but one of our Kia Sales guys could answer that.

I agree with you--it does seem bizarre. I've talked with a half dozen dealers and Stephen Cantrelle was the only one who acknowledged how ordering works (which is good, because he 'splained it here). In this particular market, with this car, there is a HUGE incentive for customers to know as little about the ordering process as possible. Customers get frustrated, sure, but as many have said here, where else do you go?
 
just got notified by my dealer that my EX-P ordered on 5/4 which got pushed from 2020 to 2021 model has a delivery time of August 22nd. Really hoping this changes :cry:. If not just sit tight and hope it's not further out! 🤞🤞🤞
 




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