as was said i would not recommend this until you're out of warranty...my subaru with 230k miles calls for 0w-20...its consuming oil at a rate of 1qt/~600mi running 10w-30 or 10w-40...it was consuming at a rate of 1qt/~250 miles running 0w-20...when it finally dies and i need a new car it will not be a kia...only choices will be toyota, honda, mazda and maybe subaru (but probably not)
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Seriously Disappointed!!! Oil CONSUMPTION
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as was said i would not recommend this until you're out of warranty...my subaru with 230k miles calls for 0w-20...its consuming oil at a rate of 1qt/~600mi running 10w-30 or 10w-40...it was consuming at a rate of 1qt/~250 miles running 0w-20...when it finally dies and i need a new car it will not be a kia...only choices will be toyota, honda, mazda and maybe subaru (but probably not)
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The only time I noticed oil consumption was when I was trying to follow the Kia guideline of 7500 mi. My first oil change was done 6000 miles at the dealership with synthetic blend. The reason I didn't wait until 7500 was because I noticed the oil was down like 1.5 qt. I became weary and changed every 4000 miles there after. FIrst 3 changes were done at dealership ($120 deal for oil & tire rotation), but now I do my own oil and tire rotation. Using fully synthetic oil I let it slip to 6000 mi again, but this time did not burn any oil (did it burn before because synthetic blend?). Today at 49K, I did engine flush using LiquiMoly, and I plan on following some Toyota engineer's (actually Nissan engineer) recommendation of 3K oil change interval with filter replacement at every other change. I have Fumoto valve, so oil change w/out filter change is very simple.
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PittPa
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Ran in to a friend that owned a 2020 telluride that ran across the mysterious engines shutting off with no warning of oil consumption. KIA initially replaced a battery which did nothing and then discovered he was almost completely out of oil even though he was well within the miles after the dealership changed it. Funny thing is I had just warned him about this issue a few weeks prior from threads like this one. They wanted him to do the whole testing of oil consumption from specific intervals when it was clearly failing with 63k miles on his car. He shortly traded it in on another vehicle. I have also sold my 2020 since it was coming out of my initial warranty and only had 3000 miles left. I would implore anyone driving these cars to have the dealership do the oil changes for this reason alone.
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Doesn’t matter who does the oil changes, it matters if they are done correctly. Also up to the owner to check the oil level at least bi weekly. I just checked the oil on both my vehicles this weekend. If owners checked their oil they would have noticed they were losing oil and could have avoided complete engine failure or damage.
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Do what you want. In the meantime keep checking your oil every week on your new car. And when it does start burning it up , beg the dealership to do something with your scrap book of receipts. Sounds like a great idea.
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Will do. My dealership service department is great. People have gotten lazy and only check things like oil and tire pressures only when a warning light comes on. Sorry you had a bad experience with your Kia. It would be nice you stopped your negativity and just move on from here. Enjoy your new vehicle.
i agree with PittPa...he's being realistic, not negative...these cars shouldn't be consuming oil right off the bat and people shouldn't have to check oil all the time on a new car...the low oil light should actually function and come on before your engine actually seizes...it should come on when you're a quart low just as a warning...i've probably said this on here plenty but my subaru started to consume when i got into higher mileage but it crept...it didn't just start from the beginning like this telluride...that car is at 233k miles and is consuming at a rate of 1qt/600mi...the low oil light comes on when it's 1.1 quarts low...oil/filter change is 5.1 quarts...as far as kia dealers go the less you have to deal with them the better...there are many instances of it on here...i have my own first experience below where they wanted to charge me $130 "modification fee" for a fumoto valve when i asked them to replace the oil filter housing cause it was leaking...they couldn't locate the leak and did nothing but they still wanted to charge me the modification fee (post about it below)...so i decided to pay for the part myself and install it myself vs have to go through the process of removing the fumoto and wasting oil or trying to find a dealer that is farther from home and isn't going to penalize me for having something on my car that makes my life easier and clearly isn't the cause the leak since it's totally dry but everything else around it is drenched in oil...screw dealers...having to prove that you maintain your car to them vs them just making a car that doesn't fail as much would be better but then they wouldn't make as much money fixing them and replacing engines which seems to be their business model...if this car sniffs 200k miles without needing major work i will be impressed but i have my doubts already...before this leak started i didn't bother checking my oil...the car was new...i also assumed that the low oil light actually functioned properly...but i do all my own oil changes and drain it right back into the 5qt jug it came out of with the fumoto valve so i actually know what's going on vs not receiving any info from a dealer or fast oil change place about how much oil they removed from the car and just draining it out into a catch pan and dumping it...putting in almost 7 quarts of oil and getting out approximately 5 quarts after 7500 miles means there is an issue on a $50k+ car with 37k miles...that's BS and it's enough to make anyone a little salty...and judging by the number of oil consumption threads and posts on here it seems that many people are having the same issue which means its a Kia bad design or bad quality control problem not a bad consumer maintenance problem
Oil Filter Housing
i am now chasing a leak in the vicinity of the oil filter housing...wiped it clean and am going to take another look...i may be in the market for a new housing as well...i'm just having a hard time telling if the oil is coming from the filter cap, the housing to engine seal or the oil pan...
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some thoughts on this topic:
Our 2021 was consuming close to a quart between oil changes early on - 0-20Kmiles. To me that seems like a lot. The good news in our case is that this has come down dramatically. We're at close to 30kmiles and consumption is now at a rate of less than 1/4 quart every 5k miles.
Why the change?
I think in our case it's 2 things:
1. Maybe the break-in process really took 20k miles
2. Maybe the driver finally started to listen to her mechanic and now gives the engine a chance to warm up and maybe stopped flooring it from every stop
This isn't a racecar but some enjoy driving it like one 
. I wonder if that's also why the tires are toast at 30k
I'm not saying some of these engines aren't defective. I'm only sharing my experience here
Our 2021 was consuming close to a quart between oil changes early on - 0-20Kmiles. To me that seems like a lot. The good news in our case is that this has come down dramatically. We're at close to 30kmiles and consumption is now at a rate of less than 1/4 quart every 5k miles.
Why the change?
I think in our case it's 2 things:
1. Maybe the break-in process really took 20k miles
2. Maybe the driver finally started to listen to her mechanic and now gives the engine a chance to warm up and maybe stopped flooring it from every stop
This isn't a racecar but some enjoy driving it like one . I wonder if that's also why the tires are toast at 30kI'm not saying some of these engines aren't defective. I'm only sharing my experience here
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my wife has a 2022 kia telluride with 33k on it and i have been doing the oil changes since new. I did the frist one at the interval that the car said it was time to and noticed it was really dark and burnt smelling no loss of oil but burnt smelling. so that a 7500 interval. since that first i do it at 3k intervals and its always the same dark and burnt smelling. i wonder what hyundai recommends considering its there motor cause thats all i see all over the block when you open the hood
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@john87 Have you tried changing the pcv valve? Even if low miles, I wouldn't rule out bad pcv valve.
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What I would do if I were you, is to do intake valve cleaner (Seafoam, etc. to spray directly into injection valve), replace the PCV valve (below & behind the intake valve (link above), assemble them all back together, and do engine flush. May be even 2 consecutive engine flush. I would also install oil catch can. I bought J&L oil separator with extension. This is tailored to specifically fit Telluride, so very straight forward installation.
www.jlosc.com
I will also be doing oil change every 3k miles (filter every 6k) using Kirkland full synthetic. After adding 6qts of 5w-30 at oil change, perhaps add Marvels mystery oil to make up the rest. And do this at every oil change. Oil is cheap (comparatively), engine is expensive.
PCV replacment
Hello, Has anyone replaced their PCV valve? My Telluride with ~50k is showing issues a lot of other Kias are notorious for due to the PCV valve i.e. slow response, dirty exhaust, dirty oil after 1000 miles, high oil consumption. I don't want to waste time and money at the dealership paying...
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What I would do if I were you, is to do intake valve cleaner (Seafoam, etc. to spray directly into injection valve), replace the PCV valve (below & behind the intake valve (link above), assemble them all back together, and do engine flush. May be even 2 consecutive engine flush. I would also install oil catch can. I bought J&L oil separator with extension. This is tailored to specifically fit Telluride, so very straight forward installation.
J&L Oil Separator 3.0 Passenger Side (2020-2025 Hyundai Palisade 3.8L; 2020-2025 Kia Telluride 3.8L)
Get the world's best oil separator for a 2020-2025 Hyundai Palisade and Kia Telluride from J&L Oil Separator Co.
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I will also be doing oil change every 3k miles (filter every 6k) using Kirkland full synthetic. After adding 6qts of 5w-30 at oil change, perhaps add Marvels mystery oil to make up the rest. And do this at every oil change. Oil is cheap (comparatively), engine is expensive.
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i am in this same boat...i have a pcv to swap out, have a new oil filter housing to swap out (leaking), have a can of CRC intake valve cleaner...was not planning on doing a flush but i could do that before my next oil change, any recommended products to use?...i am going to be doing a liqui moly engine flush on my subaru this coming weekend...oil catch can i'm not too keen on as i already had an issue at a local dealer that wanted to charge me a $130 modification fee for having a fumoto valve...what does the marvel mystery oil do?...i have a case of it hanging around somewhere@john87 Have you tried changing the pcv valve? Even if low miles, I wouldn't rule out bad pcv valve.
PCV replacment
Hello, Has anyone replaced their PCV valve? My Telluride with ~50k is showing issues a lot of other Kias are notorious for due to the PCV valve i.e. slow response, dirty exhaust, dirty oil after 1000 miles, high oil consumption. I don't want to waste time and money at the dealership paying...
What I would do if I were you, is to do intake valve cleaner (Seafoam, etc. to spray directly into injection valve), replace the PCV valve (below & behind the intake valve (link above), assemble them all back together, and do engine flush. May be even 2 consecutive engine flush. I would also install oil catch can. I bought J&L oil separator with extension. This is tailored to specifically fit Telluride, so very straight forward installation.
J&L Oil Separator 3.0 Passenger Side (2020-2025 Hyundai Palisade 3.8L; 2020-2025 Kia Telluride 3.8L)
Get the world's best oil separator for a 2020-2025 Hyundai Palisade and Kia Telluride from J&L Oil Separator Co.
I will also be doing oil change every 3k miles (filter every 6k) using Kirkland full synthetic. After adding 6qts of 5w-30 at oil change, perhaps add Marvels mystery oil to make up the rest. And do this at every oil change. Oil is cheap (comparatively), engine is expensive.
drizzt
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Liqui Moli is what I used to flush engine. Charging extra for having Fumoto valve? Modification fee? Not making any sense. I also have Fumoto valve and it makes oil change so much easier (and perfect for if you ever want to send your oil sample to lab). MMO has detergent property and people use it on old engines like over 100K miles. If it helps old engines (carbon build up, burling oil, strange knocking noise, etc.) perhaps it would help in your case as well?
Small engine demo of MMO
Ford boss me channel - although it's a diesel truck, he claims MMO makes his truck run a lot better, oil filter picking up a lot of carbons, and his oil consumption issue has reduced.
Bottomline, I would run MMO with every oil change if I had the burning oil issue.
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thanks...i'll give it a shot...you can read about the fumoto issue in this post...
Oil Filter Housing
i am now chasing a leak in the vicinity of the oil filter housing...wiped it clean and am going to take another look...i may be in the market for a new housing as well...i'm just having a hard time telling if the oil is coming from the filter cap, the housing to engine seal or the oil pan...
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drizzt
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I would not go back to the same dealership. Not installing the splash guard was such a prick move. BG engine restoration service kit is a bit on expensive side, but if all else fails, I would give it a try. This FordBossMe guy tried everything including MMO and indicates BG engine restoration kit is by far most impressive in its ability to remove the engine sludge.thanks...i'll give it a shot...you can read about the fumoto issue in this post...
Oil Filter Housing
i am now chasing a leak in the vicinity of the oil filter housing...wiped it clean and am going to take another look...i may be in the market for a new housing as well...i'm just having a hard time telling if the oil is coming from the filter cap, the housing to engine seal or the oil pan...
drizzt
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Hyundai Palisade burning 1-1.5qt/1K miles. Palisade has same engine as Telluride. After Theta engine fiasco, Hyundai is trying to downplay their engine issues and trying their best to make it seem the problem is limited to their 4-cyl only. Perhaps they knew this problem existed with their engines early on, but rather than solving this issue (improving their GDI engines), their focus shifted to making quicker transition over to the EV's.
The world (EU, USA, etc) has time clock set for complete transition to EV's, so why not? But the infrastructure is not ready yet. EV ranges are not there yet given the poor infrastructure. We observed Tesla's being towed from charging ports during bad winter storm. People are weary of EV's and their sales are drastically slowed down. Now Hyundai still have this GDI issue and people are angry.
I don't have this issue yet, but I confess this is making me very anxious. The best I can do is to do everything I can and take the preventive steps. I'm sure most of you are feeling the same way as I do.
The world (EU, USA, etc) has time clock set for complete transition to EV's, so why not? But the infrastructure is not ready yet. EV ranges are not there yet given the poor infrastructure. We observed Tesla's being towed from charging ports during bad winter storm. People are weary of EV's and their sales are drastically slowed down. Now Hyundai still have this GDI issue and people are angry.
I don't have this issue yet, but I confess this is making me very anxious. The best I can do is to do everything I can and take the preventive steps. I'm sure most of you are feeling the same way as I do.
thanks again...yea i don't plan to go back to them...i will be doing everything i can myself unless under warranty and then i will be interviewing the stealership before bringing the car in
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I just ran into the same issue at 61K miles! I was a little bit overdue for an oil change and was having the same symptoms that you described. Sure enough, I took it to Kia and there seemed to be no oil in the car. I am in the process of an oil consumption test. The service agent said that since I was late getting an oil change that if there is anything wrong, Kia won't cover it. This is so ridiculous since this is obviously a known issue. So disappointed.
drizzt
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Oil consumption issue explained - piston rings getting clogged up. He advises not going cheap on engine oil. Cheaper oil, less detergents - leading to clogged piston rings.
I guess Toyotas also have oil consumption issue. This 2nd video shows how Toyota released a replacement piston design, which has even worse design than the original version, just to appease the customers.
Is full synthetic the same as 100% synthetic? No, Amsoil advertises 100% synthetic oil and they are, but all others are blend of some % of synthetic oil with higher grade mineral oil. There is no set regulation how much synthetic oil must be in the "full synthetic" or "synthetic blend". Will the dealerships use best oil out there for your vehicle? I think not.
No matter the brand, direct inject engines will burn oil. In another video I watched, said Subaru is also telling their customers oil consumption of 1qt every 1k mile is normal. The only thing that will keep you from developing the oil consumption issue in the first place is regular oil changes. Forget the recommended schedule from the auto makers. Forget the 20K claim from the makers of motor oils. Do 5k oil change using more costly oil with better detergents. Or do more frequent changes using less costly oil.
I guess Toyotas also have oil consumption issue. This 2nd video shows how Toyota released a replacement piston design, which has even worse design than the original version, just to appease the customers.
Is full synthetic the same as 100% synthetic? No, Amsoil advertises 100% synthetic oil and they are, but all others are blend of some % of synthetic oil with higher grade mineral oil. There is no set regulation how much synthetic oil must be in the "full synthetic" or "synthetic blend". Will the dealerships use best oil out there for your vehicle? I think not.
No matter the brand, direct inject engines will burn oil. In another video I watched, said Subaru is also telling their customers oil consumption of 1qt every 1k mile is normal. The only thing that will keep you from developing the oil consumption issue in the first place is regular oil changes. Forget the recommended schedule from the auto makers. Forget the 20K claim from the makers of motor oils. Do 5k oil change using more costly oil with better detergents. Or do more frequent changes using less costly oil.
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If that's the case you need to lawyer up.
Just because you are a bit late on an oil change it doesn't mean there shouldn't be any oil left in the car.
Took my car in this morning for exactly the same problem. 2020 Telluride with 56,000 miles on it. We already did the dye test to assess if the vehicle was leaking. I was pretty sure it was burning oil, just by observation. Same story as others who discovered this problem because the engine started running rough. At first I could not imagine it was lack of oil, but 4 quarts later...So, to you, Jjohnson415, how did you get them to approve a new engine? I see this in my future and would like to know if there was a magic phrase you used to compel them to replace the engine?
