What did you pay for your KIA Telluride?

[senning]

I got a Sangria AWD EX with cross bars (free extra manager put in)...cargo cover, floor mats, wheel locks for MSRP $40,955, received $2500 in rebates and they gave me a great return on my trade! And here's the kicker, I did it all from home, dealer is 2.5 hours away delivers it to my home tomorrow!! I am blown away!!

 

[ga1322]

40K for an S? Drive down to NC. My out the door price for an S FWD was about 34,600.

where?? You can’t even find that price for an LX fwd now

 

[senning]

dealer in Keene NH... I am in western mass!

 

[2020Telly]

where?? You can’t even find that price for an LX fwd now

I purchased on 3/15, there are at least 5 Kia dealers within 30 minutes of Raleigh.

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[kjh8sfk23r8]

I figured as much. I am in northern va and the only quote I've been given is an S trim for 40k.

It'll be interesting how things will shape up in the fall for pricing on the lower trims.

Try Dulles motorcars in Leesburg. With 2500 in incentives I was OTD 38.5 on an ex. My recommendation is to work with Zaid and be up front. Say best I can do is X otd and see what they say.

Luvcats, I’m in Northern VA and heard that same B.S from Dulles and Fairfax Kia. Finally found Browns Kia in Manassas who did not try and mark up my AWD S above MSRP. We started at MSRP and then applied incentives, etc.

I would check them out if you haven’t tried them yet. I worked with John Sasso. Others sales folks tried to play some of these same games. Good luck.

Browns quoted me 44otd for an EX. Just goes to show there's a bunch of hidden variables.

 

[Luvcats69]

Luvcats, I’m in Northern VA and heard that same B.S from Dulles and Fairfax Kia. Finally found Browns Kia in Manassas who did not try and mark up my AWD S above MSRP. We started at MSRP and then applied incentives, etc.

I would check them out if you haven’t tried them yet. I worked with John Sasso. Others sales folks tried to play some of these same games. Good luck.

I appreciate the help. I actually just got an email from Browns saying they have some in stock. I'll ask for John if I decide to pay them a visit.

 

[Buckeye-TRide]

Okay, let's say the exact scenario happened to you, but at the last minute the dealer tells you he must charge you $2,000 less than what you agreed to verbally. Would you still be griping about shady dealer tactics? I think not. Oh, the hypocrisy.

Verbal agreements are enforceable. If they discussed the price and payments at MSRP, signed an offer to buy, and put down $1,000 any sane person would expect the price to be MSRP. This is a dealer taking advantage of the market situation to squeeze a couple extra grand out of a car that was allocated to them. Sure, the market price for these is now above MSRP, but if that wasn’t discussed it becomes a bait and switch which he could sue for. Verbal contracts are still contracts and what this dealer did was sleazy to say the least. They should honor the original price discussed or they should be smacked down by a lawyer for their greed and abusive business practices. This is pretty classic consumer protection stuff here. This dealer sucks and should be called out here for all to avoid. Greedy and incompetent.

 

[Buckeye-TRide]

Mrmac, I don’t disagree. However, why wouldn’t this be discussed initially? The only prices discussed three months ago was msrp. Vehicle arrives, and all of a sudden the entire story changes. The sales manager even said the “contract” wasn’t really a contract. He said I could back out when I bought the care a few days ago. In March he said I couldn’t back out. It’s the lack of transparency and shifting stories. I could have walked away from it. Clearly it wasn’t enough for me to to say no. My point again is exactly what you are saying. Do your research. Agree upon a price beforehand. Get it in writing. This dealership is shady with their deals, as manifested by Doug’s comments as well. I’m less than pleased, but I wanted the car. I fully recognize this is on me. However, word of mouth is important and apparently these guys care less. So I’ll continue to bad mouth their tactics because it rubbed me the wrong way. It’s unfortunate because the lower level sales guys are great.

This is called a bait and switch. Talk to a lawyer as you might have a case against them. If not you should burn them down on google reviews etc.

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[mrmac]

Verbal agreements are enforceable. If they discussed the price and payments at MSRP, signed an offer to buy, and put down $1,000 any sane person would expect the price to be MSRP. This is a dealer taking advantage of the market situation to squeeze a couple extra grand out of a car that was allocated to them. Sure, the market price for these is now above MSRP, but if that wasn’t discussed it becomes a bait and switch which he could sue for. Verbal contracts are still contracts and what this dealer did was sleazy to say the least. They should honor the original price discussed or they should be smacked down by a lawyer for their greed and abusive business practices. This is pretty classic consumer protection stuff here. This dealer sucks and should be called out here for all to avoid. Greedy and incompetent.

Prove it

 

[Buckeye-TRide]

Prove it

He wouldn’t even need to most likely. A strongly worded letter from an attorney would most likely get him his money back or allow him to unwind the deal. If you pulled their internet advertising at the time he signed the deal you’d most likely find them priced at MSRP with an equal dealer sales price which would corroborate his story. Whether a sales person would be willing to purger themselves in court is another story, but unlikely given the circumstances. Wouldn’t be that hard honestly...even just phoning the GM and stinking the place up with a carpet bomb of negative reviews could be enough to get his money over MSRP back. Not that hard.

 

[Owner]

Prove it

What are you asking to be proved? That verbal agreements are enforceable by law? Or that they agreed on a certain price before the vehicle arrived? Plenty of case law out there to show that verbal agreements can be legally binding. And as Buckeye points out, there are ways to argue/prove that there was no reason to expect that he was entering into an agreement to have to pay unnecessary dealer add ons to purchase the vehicle sight unseen.

 

[LtFireguy]

Okay, let's say the exact scenario happened to you, but at the last minute the dealer tells you he must charge you $2,000 less than what you agreed to verbally. Would you still be griping about shady dealer tactics? I think not. Oh, the hypocrisy.

Oh wow! Of course he wouldn't be griping about shady dealer tactics in this case because then he'd be dealing with a very reputable dealer, not a shady one. Hardly hypocrisy unless he went in and told the dealership he would only accept the car if they gave him $2,000 off vice them offering it. Geez.

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[mrmac]

What are you asking to be proved? That verbal agreements are enforceable by law? Or that they agreed on a certain price before the vehicle arrived? Plenty of case law out there to show that verbal agreements can be legally binding. And as Buckeye points out, there are ways to argue/prove that there was no reason to expect that he was entering into an agreement to have to pay unnecessary dealer add ons to purchase the vehicle sight unseen.

I'm saying you have to prove it in a court. Case law isn't on his side energy it comes to buying automobiles. That's all.

 

[Buckeye-TRide]

I'm saying you have to prove it in a court. Case law isn't on his side energy it comes to buying automobiles. That's all.

Didn’t realize you moonlit as an autofraud attorney....rollseyessohardretinasdetatch*

 

[Owner]

Case law is what proves cases in court. There are cases in all facets of life where verbal agreements have been upheld. Of course I don’t have all the details of what was discussed and what’s in writing in that particular transaction, but the general trend I’ve seen on this forum of late is that people have put in an order and KIA dealers won’t put it in writing. And when the vehicle arrives, the dealer is then adding in costs that were not expected or discussed ahead of time. This forum’s posts alone would be good evidence in court if you really want to get down to legal facts.

 

[Owner]

In my own case, I put down a $1,000 deposit on credit card in early April for an SX they were expecting to arrive in the next month that they claimed their buyer backed out on. This was right after I got back on their lot from test driving an S model they had in stock that I did not want because of some features I told them I could settle without. So I was skeptical they miraculously had one I wanted coming in right after my test drive when they could not tell me when they’d get another full shipment of unsold Tellurides. They said my $1,000 was refundable but what I signed did not specify it was or wasn’t. My bad for not questioning that but figured I could get it back if they didn’t deliver. I was lucky that the verbal terms and prices did not change and I got a decent deal on an SX and have been driving it for the past month and a half and absolutely enjoy being in it. I loved my 04 Tahoe and hated to have to trade it in but the Telluride is a great ride

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[mrmac]

Didn’t realize you moonlit as an autofraud attorney....rollseyessohardretinasdetatch*

I agree on principle.

However, I've been financing autos, collecting on delinquency, skips, unethical dealers, etc for thirty years. I've spent more than my fair share of time in court. I've had many of my ideals I once believed in squashed by the simple fact that right or wrong doesn't matter in court. Only what you can prove. That's all.

What the court will see now is a case of buyers remorse. He bought the car at the higher price. That will be seen as the enforceable contract and since it is the most recent, it supercedes the previous asserted yet unsupported agreement.

 

[kjh8sfk23r8]

I agree on principle.

However, I've been financing autos, collecting on delinquency, skips, unethical dealers, etc for thirty years. I've spent more than my fair share of time in court. I've had many of my ideals I once believed in squashed by the simple fact that right or wrong doesn't matter in court. Only what you can prove. That's all.

What the court will see now is a case of buyers remorse. He bought the car at the higher price. That will be seen as the enforceable contract and since it is the most recent, it supercedes the previous asserted yet unsupported agreement.

Yup. Yes, there is such a thing as verbal agreements, but verbal agreements are basically impossible to prove unless you happened to have recorded the conversation where the salesmen says, "I will sell you the car at X price when it comes in." No proof. The real problem here is as mrmac stated, he/she already signed on the dotted line and drove away. These are big decisions with big money on the line. Take your time and don't let anyone rush into signing things that you don't feel comfortable with or don't understand.

 

[LtFireguy]

I guess I'm lucky in the way my dealer did it then because i just ordered my Telluride with $500 deposit, a signed sales agreement at only 2% above cost and a four month wait... the wait isn't the lucky part however. and all at the same time lol

 

[CKGuY914]

Bought ours today. EX FWD in white. We live in Phoenix, AZ.