Remote start

[TheNip73]

Oh, I agree .....but I will be going out in the winter and starting the car to thaw out the ice, etc. We get a lot of freezing rain here in Pa. and I have found "start and warmup" to be very helpful. I will NOT be paying UVO to do it that's for sure!

If the car is outside and not garaged then warming up might be a required necessity for the defroster to work, etc.

Good point!

 

[2020Telly]

The new buyers are also paying a lot higher MSRP, so it’s not like they get that feature for free - it is rolled into those cost increases. They just get a more integrated experience.

I’ve lived my entire life without remote start and will continue to do so once UVO runs out. I’ve tried it out a few times, but it is nothing special to me. call me strange, but I’m a believer in the start the vehicle, let it idle 30 seconds and drive mentality - I think excessive idling is not good for vehicles, especially in cold climates like MN.

The long term plan for UVO based remote start is likely to integrate with Apple IOS CarKey which is a new feature to allow a phone to work as a key FOB.

 

[TheNip73]

The long term plan for UVO based remote start is likely to integrate with Apple IOS CarKey which is a new feature to allow a phone to work as a key FOB.

I am pretty sure car key is NFC based, so it will not do anything related to a remote start.

 

[2020Telly]

I am pretty sure car key is NFC based, so it will not do anything related to a remote start.

Well my point is that if UVO is required for CarKey, then Kia was probably trying to get a people using UVO for remote start now anyways and probably made the leap too soon that people would want to pay for UVO service today.

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[blitt]

Well my point is that if UVO is required for CarKey, then Kia was probably trying to get a people using UVO for remote start now anyways and probably made the leap too soon that people would want to pay for UVO service today.

I only know enough "to be dangerous" but......if a vehicle can be started using a "cloud sourced" service such as UVO, then it means the following: 1. the vehicle CAN be remotely started. 2. whoever can replicate the signal process CAN start the vehicle. ......a bit scary actually , but I might be interested in how that might happen. As I have said before.....come on KIA, since you have now gone the route of the FOB base remote start for current buyers, simply make the UVO remote start freely available to the 2020 buyers....easy solution.

 

[2020Telly]

I only know enough "to be dangerous" but......if a vehicle can be started using a "cloud sourced" service such as UVO, then it means the following: 1. the vehicle CAN be remotely started. 2. whoever can replicate the signal process CAN start the vehicle. ......a bit scary actually , but I might be interested in how that might happen. As I have said before.....come on KIA, since you have now gone the route of the FOB base remote start for current buyers, simply make the UVO remote start freely available to the 2020 buyers....easy solution.

I also know enough to be dangerous and I think you are talking two completely different wireless technologies. A cell phone operates on broadband cell towers and that’s how it gets connected to the internet. That’s the same technology that the car is using to talk to the mobile cloud connected applications. A key FOB uses RFID to talk to something in the car listening (a required box with its own antenna) to interface with the car’s CAN bus system to start it.

While many TV shows and movies spoof how easy it is to clone a phone, I can’t see how someone could easily impersonate a cell tower and the various levels of secure encryption simply enough to be able to have a pocket sized device to start a car by impersonating the servers interacting with the mobile application. If mimicking a UVO app secure communication were an option that would likely be a hacking car thief’s favorite tool. Which brings you back to an RFID car start that can use the key FOB. Hackers might be able to recreate a key FOB. The 2020 doesn’t have RFID from Kia only the UVO paid option. The 2021 has the box that can talk over RFID and UVO option.

If CarPlay (and likely an Android equivalent) becomes available with UVO, that could make expensive key FOBs obsolete. The replacement option could be a phone app that works with your car to identify an authorized driver by using other forms of authentication like fingerprints would make your car far less likely to be stolen as easily as someone stealing your key chain or cloning your FOB. Then you enter the possibilty of giving other people a temporary virtual key token to drive you car time limited and you have a ton of new possibilities without having to hand over the FOB. (Teen driver management, loaning the car without a FOB, turning the car in for temp service, valet, etc)

While it would be nice for Kia to give away an RFID remote system to all 2020 owners, I realistically don’t see that happening (maybe a heavily discounted less than $300 box?). Giving free UVO subscriptions is also highly unlikely because all the major similar services, Hyundai BlueLink, GM OnStar, Toyota Enform, Ford Sync, HondaLink, etc. are all subscription fee based with tiered services. Someone has to pay to light up that broadband signal over the cell towers. RFID is using a free open air radio frequency. THIS IS WHERE I THINK KIA MISLED EARLY 2020 BUYERS, the early advertising showed Remote Start was included from the Kia FOB and then they changed their narrative to say it was free from UVO not initially clearly stating that it was free only for a limited time which is not the same as lifetime from the FOB. Maybe someone in marketing was reading a spec that said fee and they got excited and added a “r” to imply it was free? (J/K)

The simplest analogy is RFID remote start is like over the air TV, you need an antenna and a television. But if you want cable channels then you need to connect the television to a network and subscribe to a service package with a cable company and that is not free. In that respect the cable provider is similar to UVO and the cable in the ground connecting your house is the broadband service.

In this case, if Kia were a TV manufacturer they did not include an over the air antenna in their 2020 model but did in the 2021 model.

 

[alexdrums]

The only way you could safely open/start a car with just your phone is if it still works when you have no service. I thought Apple would use an NFC chip to achieve this, similar to ApplePay?

 

[cliffnerd5]

I also know enough to be dangerous and I think you are talking two completely different wireless technologies. A cell phone operates on broadband cell towers and that’s how it gets connected to the internet. That’s the same technology that the car is using to talk to the mobile cloud connected applications. A key FOB uses RFID to talk to something in the car listening (a required box with its own antenna) to interface with the car’s CAN bus system to start it.

While many TV shows and movies spoof how easy it is to clone a phone, I can’t see how someone could easily impersonate a cell tower and the various levels of secure encryption simply enough to be able to have a pocket sized device to start a car by impersonating the servers interacting with the mobile application. If mimicking a UVO app secure communication were an option that would likely be a hacking car thief’s favorite tool. Which brings you back to an RFID car start that can use the key FOB. Hackers might be able to recreate a key FOB. The 2020 doesn’t have RFID from Kia only the UVO paid option. The 2021 has the box that can talk over RFID and UVO option.

If CarPlay (and likely an Android equivalent) becomes available with UVO, that could make expensive key FOBs obsolete. The replacement option could be a phone app that works with your car to identify an authorized driver by using other forms of authentication like fingerprints would make your car far less likely to be stolen as easily as someone stealing your key chain or cloning your FOB. Then you enter the possibilty of giving other people a temporary virtual key token to drive you car time limited and you have a ton of new possibilities without having to hand over the FOB. (Teen driver management, loaning the car without a FOB, turning the car in for temp service, valet, etc)

While it would be nice for Kia to give away an RFID remote system to all 2020 owners, I realistically don’t see that happening (maybe a heavily discounted less than $300 box?). Giving free UVO subscriptions is also highly unlikely because all the major similar services, Hyundai BlueLink, GM OnStar, Toyota Enform, Ford Sync, HondaLink, etc. are all subscription fee based with tiered services. Someone has to pay to light up that broadband signal over the cell towers. RFID is using a free open air radio frequency. THIS IS WHERE I THINK KIA MISLED EARLY 2020 BUYERS, the early advertising showed Remote Start was included from the Kia FOB and then they changed their narrative to say it was free from UVO not initially clearly stating that it was free only for a limited time which is not the same as lifetime from the FOB. Maybe someone in marketing was reading a spec that said fee and they got excited and added a “r” to imply it was free? (J/K)

The simplest analogy is RFID remote start is like over the air TV, you need an antenna and a television. But if you want cable channels then you need to connect the television to a network and subscribe to a service package with a cable company and that is not free. In that respect the cable provider is similar to UVO and the cable in the ground connecting your house is the broadband service.

In this case, if Kia were a TV manufacturer they did not include an over the air antenna in their 2020 model but did in the 2021 model.

I hear you on missing hardware, but my mirrors fold out when you get close and the door unlock works in close proximity. So clearly the key fob is communicating with the car beyond lock/unlock/hatch buttons.

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[blitt]

I also know enough to be dangerous and I think you are talking two completely different wireless technologies. A cell phone operates on broadband cell towers and that’s how it gets connected to the internet. That’s the same technology that the car is using to talk to the mobile cloud connected applications. A key FOB uses RFID to talk to something in the car listening (a required box with its own antenna) to interface with the car’s CAN bus system to start it.

While many TV shows and movies spoof how easy it is to clone a phone, I can’t see how someone could easily impersonate a cell tower and the various levels of secure encryption simply enough to be able to have a pocket sized device to start a car by impersonating the servers interacting with the mobile application. If mimicking a UVO app secure communication were an option that would likely be a hacking car thief’s favorite tool. Which brings you back to an RFID car start that can use the key FOB. Hackers might be able to recreate a key FOB. The 2020 doesn’t have RFID from Kia only the UVO paid option. The 2021 has the box that can talk over RFID and UVO option.

If CarPlay (and likely an Android equivalent) becomes available with UVO, that could make expensive key FOBs obsolete. The replacement option could be a phone app that works with your car to identify an authorized driver by using other forms of authentication like fingerprints would make your car far less likely to be stolen as easily as someone stealing your key chain or cloning your FOB. Then you enter the possibilty of giving other people a temporary virtual key token to drive you car time limited and you have a ton of new possibilities without having to hand over the FOB. (Teen driver management, loaning the car without a FOB, turning the car in for temp service, valet, etc)

While it would be nice for Kia to give away an RFID remote system to all 2020 owners, I realistically don’t see that happening (maybe a heavily discounted less than $300 box?). Giving free UVO subscriptions is also highly unlikely because all the major similar services, Hyundai BlueLink, GM OnStar, Toyota Enform, Ford Sync, HondaLink, etc. are all subscription fee based with tiered services. Someone has to pay to light up that broadband signal over the cell towers. RFID is using a free open air radio frequency. THIS IS WHERE I THINK KIA MISLED EARLY 2020 BUYERS, the early advertising showed Remote Start was included from the Kia FOB and then they changed their narrative to say it was free from UVO not initially clearly stating that it was free only for a limited time which is not the same as lifetime from the FOB. Maybe someone in marketing was reading a spec that said fee and they got excited and added a “r” to imply it was free? (J/K)

The simplest analogy is RFID remote start is like over the air TV, you need an antenna and a television. But if you want cable channels then you need to connect the television to a network and subscribe to a service package with a cable company and that is not free. In that respect the cable provider is similar to UVO and the cable in the ground connecting your house is the broadband service.

In this case, if Kia were a TV manufacturer they did not include an over the air antenna in their 2020 model but did in the 2021 model.

Well said, and clearly, you do more about the specifics of the technology than I do.....that being said, there is one point that you mentioned that I would like to clarify, and that is: while I cannot speak for all the brands that you mentioned and their various "cloud services", I can say that my Ford Sync service does not charge me anything to use it to start my 2018 Escape or the 2018 Explorer that I traded on the Telly. UVO has various packages .....from the no cost to those that cost and each level offering "more" service, remote start being just one of the services. I still firmly believe it would be in their best interest to move the "start" option to the no cost level.....they will still have some folks who will pay for the other options provided. Not only did the advertising "mislead" but their sales people believed remote start was included.....one even saying to me "sure, that's basic function on all high trim vehicles these days." And so it goes......i will start it myself and enjoy the brief walk out in the cold air!

 

[2020Telly]

Well said, and clearly, you do more about the specifics of the technology than I do.....that being said, there is one point that you mentioned that I would like to clarify, and that is: while I cannot speak for all the brands that you mentioned and their various "cloud services", I can say that my Ford Sync service does not charge me anything to use it to start my 2018 Escape or the 2018 Explorer that I traded on the Telly. UVO has various packages .....from the no cost to those that cost and each level offering "more" service, remote start being just one of the services. I still firmly believe it would be in their best interest to move the "start" option to the no cost level.....they will still have some folks who will pay for the other options provided. Not only did the advertising "mislead" but their sales people believed remote start was included.....one even saying to me "sure, that's basic function on all high trim vehicles these days." And so it goes......i will start it myself and enjoy the brief walk out in the cold air!

The only thing I can use UVO with the Kia Access app is to check my mileage and estimated miles left to empty as well as look up my VIN. It’s supposed to tell me about safety recalls but I get information faster on this forum than any other source.

 

[Tellthemride]

This is what I did: Start with 3x Kfob, unlock doors with remote, open passenger door, placed keys on passenger seat, close passenger door. Wait 2 minutes and open drivers door and Telly shuts off.

I was able to replicate the car shutting off following these steps.

Have you tried closing the passenger side door then immediately going to open the driver’s side door? I feel the 45 second rule is only once all the doors are closed. Which would explain how I can take several minutes buckling my kid into her car seat then still be able to go to the drivers seat and takeover.

On a side note, I feel like leaving the key in the car and and closing all the doors while still outside is a recipe for disaster to lock yourself out. I would advise against doing it.

 

[rwhite4573]

I was able to replicate the car shutting off following these steps.

Have you tried closing the passenger side door then immediately going to open the driver’s side door? I feel the 45 second rule is only once all the doors are closed. Which would explain how I can take several minutes buckling my kid into her car seat then still be able to go to the drivers seat and takeover.

On a side note, I feel like leaving the key in the car and and closing all the doors while still outside is a recipe for disaster to lock yourself out. I would advise against doing it.

Have you tried closing the passenger side door then immediately going to open the driver’s side door? Yes, I have done that and the car continues to run

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[jazzyone]

Just installed my Carlink. As everyone said, it's a lot more responsive!

I have a question, does your installation allow you to start the vehicle without locking the door? Maybe it's normal for Carlink, but I'm used to UVO not allowing your to remotely start if the doors are unlock. I have the non-take over version, so if I open the unlocked door the engine dies automatically. Wonder if the takeover version allows you to remotely start the engine without locking the doors and would that be a problem with someone driving away with a remotely started unlocked KT?

 

[Tellthemride]

Just installed my Carlink. As everyone said, it's a lot more responsive!

I have a question, does your installation allow you to start the vehicle without locking the door? Maybe it's normal for Carlink, but I'm used to UVO not allowing your to remotely start if the doors are unlock. I have the non-take over version, so if I open the unlocked door the engine dies automatically. Wonder if the takeover version allows you to remotely start the engine without locking the doors and would that be a problem with someone driving away with a remotely started unlocked KT?

Yes, can remote start without doors locked with takeover version using CarLink. Can be unlocked using OEM fob too, but the action of remote starting (lock 3x) locks it anyways.

Car will shut off if you try to open the door without the fob in your pocket when starting while unlocked using CarLink. Similar to non-takover.

Even if it did manage to stay on, when you try to takeover by pressing on the brake pedal, it will still shut off. You cannot takeover the car or shift into drive unless you have the fob with you at all with takeover. So not possible for people to drive off either with UVO or Accessorides.

 

[PBeeman]

Was doing my daily “are there any new telluride videos on YouTube” search today and came across this

 

[Tellthemride]

Was doing my daily “are there any new telluride videos on YouTube” search today and came across this

Sound effects were accurate. And loved the Telluride made from a bed frame.

This kid has automotive reviewer potential.

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[d20052009]

I was told by my dealer that it was about $5.00 - $6.00 a month. I did add the remote start to my key fob but still waiting on the part to come in. They have to add something to the vehicle.

Did you order this part through a dealership (OEM Part) or is it some third party system? I was told there is no way to add remote start feature to Kia Telluride 2020 key fob through KIA.

 

[rbfromma]

Did you order this part through a dealership (OEM Part) or is it some third party system? I was told there is no way to add remote start feature to Kia Telluride 2020 key fob through KIA.

Third party - search back through this thread and others for "Accessorides" and you will find the company and details. There was also a discount code for forum members posted in the thread.

 

[bruesjoh04]

Was doing my daily “are there any new telluride videos on YouTube” search today and came across this

Too bad he didn’t give accurate information in his walkthrough. But points for trying!

 

[egifford]

Hey I agree with all of the above. I went out and got a remote start for my 2020 Telluride from my local vehicle up fitter and it works great. They integrated with the factory remote so no need for two remotes and the climate control system comes on and conditions the car to what ever you had it set at when you last got out. The cost of this was 280.00 plus tax. A much better cheaper alternative than the cost of UVO.