EV9

[2020Telly]

the EV infrastructure isn’t there yet to support...not enough fast chargers, charging times too long, charging station waits, vehicle is too expensive, potential fires, most repairs require a dealer (cause you’re driving a computer), cost of repairs, lack of dealerships, wait times at dealerships, courtesy vehicles may not be available, install a charger in your house, battery element mining, new battery cost, battery life and still charging off of a coal fueled plant...it’s not there yet...hybrids or plug in hybrids are the sweet spot right now

Journalist Takes Road Trip in Electric Car, Spends More Time Charging Than Sleeping - Now Says Gas Smells So Sweet

Thinking of taking a road trip in an electric vehicle? You might want to think again after reading about this nightmare journey.

www.westernjournal.com

Opinion piece from far leaning news source noted. We are still a year away from the EV9 going on sale and 4 years from Kia saying they will have up to 11 EV models. A lot can change in a supply and demand driven economy where consumers are paying $5-6/gal. EV sales are ahead of where many predicted, the infrastructure will follow soon after. I agree hybrids are a sweet spot . . . for now.

New Plug-in Electric Vehicle Sales in the United States Nearly Doubled from 2020 to 2021

Sales of new light-duty plug-in electric vehicles, including all-electric vehicles (EVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), nearly doubled from 308,000 in 2020 to 608,000 in 2021.

www.energy.gov

 

[Point37]

Opinion piece from far leaning news source noted. We are still a year away from the EV9 going on sale and 4 years from Kia saying they will have up to 11 EV models. A lot can change in a supply and demand driven economy where consumers are paying $5-6/gal. EV sales are ahead of where many predicted, the infrastructure will follow soon after. I agree hybrids are a sweet spot . . . for now.

New Plug-in Electric Vehicle Sales in the United States Nearly Doubled from 2020 to 2021

Sales of new light-duty plug-in electric vehicles, including all-electric vehicles (EVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), nearly doubled from 308,000 in 2020 to 608,000 in 2021.

www.energy.gov

that's all i'm saying...it's not there yet...the tech and infrastructure will have to develop further for me to jump on board

forgot to mention degraded battery range in cold weather

 

[2020Telly]

that's all i'm saying...it's not there yet...the tech and infrastructure will have to develop further for me to jump on board

forgot to mention degraded battery range in cold weather

I’m with you but this thread topic is about an electric vehicle that doesn’t even have an announced for sale date, over a year from now. The question is will the infrastructure be ready by the time the EV9s start selling.

 

[Point37]

I’m with you but this thread topic is about an electric vehicle that doesn’t even have an announced for sale date, over a year from now. The question is will the infrastructure be ready by the time the EV9s start selling.

all depends where you live and where you plan to use it...some places are in better shape than others with the items in my list...mine is not one of them...i want it to come along cause options are good...but living where i live if the power goes out for any amount of time and its cold you better have a generator or solar panels so you can go somewhere with an EV...granted gas pumps would be down also but siphons still work...i see cars as more electronics more issues that require a dealer...simple is better in my opinion...if we ever get into an EV we will have a backup gas car

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[Goboyz]

all depends where you live and where you plan to use it...some places are in better shape than others with the items in my list...mine is not one of them...i want it to come along cause options are good...but living where i live if the power goes out for any amount of time and its cold you better have a generator or solar panels so you can go somewhere with an EV...granted gas pumps would be down also but siphons still work...i see cars as more electronics more issues that require a dealer...simple is better in my opinion...if we ever get into an EV we will have a backup gas car

I live in Southern California and a lot of infrastructure is in place. That being said, you really don't need to use charging stations unless you are traveling far. For 95% or more of the time, I can charge overnight at home for daily driving. If you have a second gas car, that would cover you for those long drives (or you can rent a gas car). Even with the infrastructure we have here in Southern California, there is still some ways to go. I'm planning a trip next month where we are driving somewhere that is 20+ miles away from the nearest supercharger. I don't want to deal with the stress of figuring out charging, so I will take my gas car.

 

[2020Telly]

I live in Southern California and a lot of infrastructure is in place. That being said, you really don't need to use charging stations unless you are traveling far. For 95% or more of the time, I can charge overnight at home for daily driving. If you have a second gas car, that would cover you for those long drives (or you can rent a gas car). Even with the infrastructure we have here in Southern California, there is still some ways to go. I'm planning a trip next month where we are driving somewhere that is 20+ miles away from the nearest supercharger. I don't want to deal with the stress of figuring out charging, so I will take my gas car.

Most of the public charging station maps look a bit like early cell coverage maps right now. But with new plugin vehicle registrations up in 2022 I can see more coming very quickly. I think from 2015 to 2021 the number of public charging outlets tripled. The current proposed energy bill looks to increase to at least 500,000 likely many going along routes that will connect more rural cities. If you consider everyone who will own an EV having a charger in their home and add all the public charging outlets that will provide better coverage than the current gas station infrastructure in the US. It has the potential to be far more spread out than gas station locations especially since adding a charging outlet doesn’t involve the cost and complexity of burying fuel tanks. Anywhere with reasonably stable power will be a possible location. With an app you can already plan to charge at home first and time a long trip as there aren’t very many areas where you can’t hit another city in any direction in 250-300 miles. The opinion piece article talking about the WSJ previously referenced was likely already old information by the time it was released. The original reporter also acknowledged that if they had a Tesla the 4-day trip would have been easier because of the more mature super charging network. Most of the opinion/commentary pieces referencing the original WSJ article are selectively referencing what they what to quote that supports their underlying political agenda. Yes, there aren’t enough today, but it’s a much simpler problem to solve than lowering and stabilizing gas prices.

 

[TheNip73]

There are over 145,000 fueling stations in the US. All within range of a tanker truck being able to deliver fuel from a storage tank or pipeline. The average number of pumps per station is about 12 but how many times are all the pumps at all the stations being used all at once at every station?

You must not be a member of Costco or Sam’s Club

 

[2020Telly]

You must not be a member of Costco or Sam’s Club

Sure am. But on my way to wait in line at CostCo I pass about 6 mom and pop stations with 4-6 pumps. During the week of the Colonial Pipeline ransomware cyberattack I became acutely aware of each one.

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[Goboyz]

Here are a couple videos documenting long road trips with EVs.

 

[2020Telly]

Hyundai is spending $80B, GM is spending $35B, Ford $15.7B, Toyota $3.4B, US government committing $3.1B, and so on and so on. Those are Bs getting committed to EVs and infrastructure in North America and globally, I read an estimated $330B. There wouldn’t be this much spending if profits weren’t right around the corner. Another perspective, the US spends $81B+ a year to protect our fuel supplies. Imagine if part of that could go to infrastructure.

 

[2020Telly]

2023 Kia EV9 Looks Clean, Composed Around The Nurburgring

The test driver was really pushing it through the corners, but it remained remarkably settled, suggesting it's going to be quite sharp and sporty to drive.

insideevs.com

Pretty spry around the turns for an SUV.

 

[FeGee3]

I am quite befuddled. Kia produces the worlds most popular 3-row SUV with the Telluride. The world also 'wants' EVs to be the future (insert EV9).

The current compromise: gasoline-based hybrids and, more recently, PHEVs. Kia has a bunch of each, but what is surprising to me is that we have yet to see a hybridized or PHEV Telluride before we are seeing the EV9.

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[2020Telly]

I am quite befuddled. Kia produces the worlds most popular 3-row SUV with the Telluride. The world also 'wants' EVs to be the future (insert EV9).

The current compromise: gasoline-based hybrids and, more recently, PHEVs. Kia has a bunch of each, but what is surprising to me is that we have yet to see a hybridized or PHEV Telluride before we are seeing the EV9.

I think the Telluride is selling well in North America so just stay the course and don't add complexity as supply is meeting demand just fine (or as best as could be expected given other market conditions). Adding a combustion engine in a PHEV is more potential service and manufacturing cost than just keeping an existing ICE engine or going to an easier to manufacture and service a BEV.

Hyundai and Kia are probably eyeing more global markets than just the US and while the US opinion of EVs is still challenged with oil lobbyists and political interests, the rest of the world's consumers are adopting EVs much faster than originally projected compared to the US which is also moving faster than projected. The opportunity for BEV profitability is much greater than a PHEV which still has an ICE component. Battery technology and battery manufacturing is dropping to levels where it is more profitable to manufacture an EV instead of a vehicle with a gas powered engine. At that point the traditional manufacturers will need to finally break away from oil company influence and enter the free market where they can manufacture and sell what consumers are wanting to buy. When you look at the EV market in the US, there are small startups that can't get the economies of scale in manufacturing like Hyundai and Kia might to really get affordable EVs to market. There's a reason why Warren Buffet invested in BYD which just passed Tesla as the largest EV maker worldwide and Toyota is now partnering with BYD. The future is coming faster than anticipated so why not leave the PHEV for traditional ICE companies who are just getting started with EVs and jump right to BEVs? If they can ramp up the battery production in the US and manufacturing in the US, then free market market capitalism can take over for US consumers who want EVs can take advantage of the discounts that the small startups won't be able to offer because they can't get their per vehicle cost down to a level that is required.

 

[ronniebell]

Kia warranties theirs for 10 years/100K miles. What's the average lifespan of a gas engine? Do you own an EV? I own an EV with 70K miles and no problems with the battery.

Edit: Consumer Reports says average EV battery will last 200K miles.

Although I don't have an EV myself, I read a lot of EV news, and yes, experts across the board say that modern EV batteries will on average last a long time. Consumer Reports is right. I think the notion that EV batteries wear out fast comes from the early days of the Toyota Prius (15 years ago or more?) when there were reports of owners having to replace batteries at exorbitant rates. Those days are gone, mostly thanks to the billions of dollars that both private industry and the government have invested in battery research and development. We all benefit from that.

 

[Point37]

Although I don't have an EV myself, I read a lot of EV news, and yes, experts across the board say that modern EV batteries will on average last a long time. Consumer Reports is right. I think the notion that EV batteries wear out fast comes from the early days of the Toyota Prius (15 years ago or more?) when there were reports of owners having to replace batteries at exorbitant rates. Those days are gone, mostly thanks to the billions of dollars that both private industry and the government have invested in battery research and development. We all benefit from that.

never heard about those old prius batteries spontaneously combusting though

 

[ELCapiTRAN]

Although I don't have an EV myself, I read a lot of EV news, and yes, experts across the board say that modern EV batteries will on average last a long time. Consumer Reports is right. I think the notion that EV batteries wear out fast comes from the early days of the Toyota Prius (15 years ago or more?) when there were reports of owners having to replace batteries at exorbitant rates. Those days are gone, mostly thanks to the billions of dollars that both private industry and the government have invested in battery research and development. We all benefit from that.

They will wear out and you will be left with lesser range as time goes by, but if it's mostly a city commuter car then it's probably fine for the long haul. By the time your battery wears down that far, infrastructure will probably have been well established.

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[Point37]

They will wear out and you will be left with lesser range as time goes by...

or if you drive crazy or live in a cold climate it will happen right off the bat

 

[ELCapiTRAN]

I think Kia either wants to make a vehicle like the Telluride either all gas or all electric. Imagine the telluride having the same PHEV engine as the Sorento PHEV. I think it would be very sluggish. IF they opted to put a battery and it's components with the 3.8 V6 in the Telluride, then would they have to sacrifice the one thing the Telluride is known for? The space? I think they've nearly maxed it out in space so making a PHEV setup that would make sense for a car of the Telluride's stature might be tough. They could just make the Sorento PHEV setup an option for the Telluride but maybe that would just add to production costs for a car that already easily sells out no matter what they do.

 

[ELCapiTRAN]

or if you drive crazy or live in a cold climate it will happen right off the bat

That's the con about EVs but for most, it's still enough range to do what you want to do in the daily. I'd be hesitant to take long road trips in the cold weather with an EV.

 

[Point37]

That's the con about EVs but for most, it's still enough range to do what you want to do in the daily. I'd be hesitant to take long road trips in the cold weather with an EV.

for me the cost is high...the number of reliable manufacturers/choices is growing but still low...if you need repairs there are not many dealers since you can't take it to a regular mechanic for certain jobs...software bugs...they could have waits...may not have a loaner for you...not many charging stations...a lot of charging stations are broken...plug compatibility...have to plan your routes if you have to go far...good luck getting a charging location near your apartment if you live in a city...you’d have to do electrical work at your house to get a fast charging station which is an added cost...battery tech is too big still for battery swap stations...cost of replacing battery after it's useless in ~10 years (or whatever) probably costs more than the car is worth by that point...extra weight, driving style and cold all affect range...due to extra weight and instant torque they can chew through tires fast...potential for fires...not sure if they are actually greener in the long run due to the mining required to get the minerals necessary for the batteries which are probably mined by slaves (same for all our cell phones)...the infrastructure and batteries aren't there yet for me...hard pass for now

i can see how they work for people driving to/from work and they are a good idea for the future but they need to be dialed in better before states start mandating them and not selling ICE vehicles...they are making them out to be the solution for all our problems and they aren't...yet