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Headlight Led Upgrade

Did you upgrade to the 9011/HIR1 halogen bulbs? Are you happy with them? Where did you purchase?
Thx!
One thing I would like to know is
1) what projector housings were used
2) what brand bulbs were used
3) what kelvin color was used
First off the projector housing of different brands behave differently to LED bulbs.
Secondly different brand bulbs work better in projector housings than others and will say most of the ones I tried were really bad in my specific housings so went with HID’s and they are great
Third what was the color of the bulb used. Most LED’s are 6000k and that is into the blue color. From my experience, even with HID’s, 6000k doesn’t shine down the road near as far as the 5000k does. I don’t remember off the top of my head what kelvin the halogens are but maybe like 4200k.
As far as scattered light goes that also has a lot to do with the brand bulb and the housing it is in. Then to lump a specific fitting size, IE H11, 9005, and say only those scatter light and others don’t really shows how flawed and incomplete the testing was in that report. There are just to many variables that go into it to say they don’t work. Can it be difficult to find the right fit for your specific circumstances? My pocketbook says it is. Can it be done? Yes it can and there are many that have shown and proven it does. As far as legality goes I have no idea. I know around here headlight upgrades are done all the time especially in vehicles even the government departments have tested off the assembly line that have been classified as very poor. I actually have one of those vehicles and it was extremely scary to drive at night due to how bad they were. Man. I am so long winded.
 
Call the shop at +19049559844 and talk to Chelsea. I specifically asked if they could ship to memeber and they said they would. The bulbs they use are custom manufactured for their shop. The ones I got were 6000k and are bright as hell.
I have the Twelvolt LED’s in my EX. They are vastly better than the stock halogens. I tried others, too. These turned out to be the best. Installed in 4 minutes.
 
I have the Twelvolt LED’s in my EX. They are vastly better than the stock halogens. I tried others, too. These turned out to be the best. Installed in 4 minutes.
Agreed. I have not seen any other LEDs configured this way and I believe it’s optimized for the Telluride. Instantly solved my biggest concern with my Telluride. Bright enough to fix the problem but not create a ton of glare for me or oncoming traffic and focused just right to avoid dark spots in front of me.
 
Agreed. I have not seen any other LEDs configured this way and I believe it’s optimized for the Telluride. Instantly solved my biggest concern with my Telluride. Bright enough to fix the problem but not create a ton of glare for me or oncoming traffic and focused just right to avoid dark spots in front of me.

Installed mine today.
- took me about 30 min, and I’m reasonably handy.
- rotating the new bulb into position took work. I put a tiny bit of white grease on the o-ring to help, and also loosened the three phillips screws on the bracket about a quarter turn.
- very happy with the results. I can actually see the lines on the road, and so far no one has flashed me. The top cutoff looks the same as the originals, so i think they are good.
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Installed mine today.
- took me about 30 min, and I’m reasonably handy.
- rotating the new bulb into position took work. I put a tiny bit of white grease on the o-ring to help, and also loosened the three phillips screws on the bracket about a quarter turn.
- very happy with the results. I can actually see the lines on the road, and so far no one has flashed me. The top cutoff looks the same as the originals, so i think they are good.

I ordered the Twelvolt leds (seem to be on backorder) after driving around the darker streets in my neighborhood. I can't say I was too disappointed with the brightness of the OEM halogens but was shocked at how there was zero coverage up ahead on side of the vehicle. What I mean is that when i pulled up to a stop sign and wanted to make a right turn, there was total blackness until I was 3/4 of the way into the turn. If another car or a trash can or some other obstacle was there I wouldn't see it until the last second. So for now I am turning corners VERY slowly. Do the Twelvolts have the same experience?
 
Cross posted here: Headlight upgrade

I had my shop install these: ORACLE 9005 4,000+ Lumen LED Headlight Bulbs (Pair). I can't truthfully say they're better for visibility than the halogens but they make the front end of the car look a lot better. I think the issue is they're LED lights in a housing that was designed for halogens so the light pattern isn't as uniform as I'd like. The do make the road markings and signs stand out a lot more than the old yellow bulbs did.
Well, after living with the Oracle LED lights for a few months, I'm going to have my shop put the halogens back in. I just don't think they work well with the projector housing - lot of dark spots, weird light pattern in front of vehicle, zero peripheral visibility. They looked great with the DRLs but real-life usability not so much. I may check out the Silverstar Ultras in the future.
 
I ordered the Twelvolt leds (seem to be on backorder) after driving around the darker streets in my neighborhood. I can't say I was too disappointed with the brightness of the OEM halogens but was shocked at how there was zero coverage up ahead on side of the vehicle. What I mean is that when i pulled up to a stop sign and wanted to make a right turn, there was total blackness until I was 3/4 of the way into the turn. If another car or a trash can or some other obstacle was there I wouldn't see it until the last second. So for now I am turning corners VERY slowly. Do the Twelvolts have the same experience?
I would say the the peripheral lighting with the Twelvolts extend more to the sides than the OEM halogens. I have not noticed a problem at any stop signs at night when turning. But I will play closer attention next time.
 
This is great and I been down the same road with testing different LED's (4 Brands) I gave up and kept a pair of SeaLight from Amazon thank God for a Prime account easy return process. I was browsing and came across the Headlight Revolution great information for all types of LED. Hopefully they can review the Telluride one day seems the website focus more on Trucks etc..

Sealight does poorly in projector testing. Actual testing, not the drivel that Headlight Revolution calls "testing."

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Did you upgrade to the 9011/HIR1 halogen bulbs? Are you happy with them? Where did you purchase?
Thx!

Can't speak for them but switching from 9005 to 9011 bulbs is commonly done. These are good and cheap.


There are name brand Philips ones for twice the price but I think these get it done about as well.

Instructions here


I have the Twelvolt LED’s in my EX. They are vastly better than the stock halogens. I tried others, too. These turned out to be the best. Installed in 4 minutes.

I can guarantee that there's no true upgrade from those cheap Chinese toys that Twelvolt is selling. There's only an upgrade to Twelvolt's pocketbook, and an "upgrade" in the amount of light that gets spilled in the area 0 to 50 feet ahead of your Telluride, along with a downgrade in the amount of light 200-300 feet ahead of your Telluride.

 
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@JamesSaintPatrick First let me say I'm not intentionally trolling, merely trying to offer up an alternative way to look at some of the points you made.

I did a reasonable amount of headlight research before settling on the Twelvolt LEDs for my Telluride and this is also after having experience building a street legal VW based automobile in the past and currently working on a street legal Low Speed Vehicle conversion of a golf cart. What I've found is that there are no true legal regulations or laws surrounding headlights and their performance. The only regulations that exist are that you must have them and when you should use them. Unfortunately, from my reading I also determined that the US/SAE label that some manufacturers slap on their bulb packages are best practice recommendations more than likely not keeping up with the pace of LED technology as it moves much quicker than conventional bulbs. Even the IIHS headlight ratings, which I found as the most helpful vehicle specific testing information, are relatively new tests for headlights that may not be fully positioned to handle the most modern headlight projectors or LED technology. But I still felt compelled to move forward with replacement because I found the biggest reason to upgrade my headlights are to diminish my risk, increase safety and lower my liability if I get into an accident.

I do also believe that when you buy any well packaged and advertised name brands you are also paying for that packaging because they want you to be a happy buyer since you'll be going back in 5 years to buy another set of halogen based bulbs. Good and cheap bulbs with fancy packaging makes business sense to me if they expect that over the life of a vehicle you will be going back to buy another set or possibly 2 from them. The potential one time purchase of an LED bulb was very appealing to me so much that I was willing to pay a little more.

My second vehicle scored the highest IIHS possible rating for halogen projector with stock bulbs so I have used that as a measure in the same dark street as the stock Telluride bulbs and the Twelvolt LEDs. I found the LEDs to be a suitable comparison. The brightness offered an acceptable amount of distance and lowered glare than I've seen from other vehicles with oncoming headlights. I can see just about as far ahead with low beams (which I would estimate about 250 ft) as my halogen projectors in my 2017 Hyundai Limited with Ultimate Pkg and about the same when I flip on the high beams on either car. I do wish the Telluride had the adaptive headlights that turned slightly as the vehicle did to enhance some of the side vision. While I don't have Sealight LEDs to compare to my halogens or the Twelvolts I bought, I don't think it's as easy as saying if the Sealight LEDs scored poorly against a Sylvania halogen that must mean that all LEDs will score the same. So while I can't guarantee it, I do feel it is an upgrade and I guess my opinion is about as legal as any regulations or testing sources that are out there today. I can guarantee you that I am not getting a kick back from any headlight manufacturer nor am I trying to promote any position for my own personal profit. I'm merely sharing my real world experience.

The website you referenced is a Wordpress website and after looking up the URL from whois I can't even determine where that website is based or who owns it. So there is nothing telling me that the site wasn't written by some marketing group or individual funded by conventional headlight bulb manufacturers threatened by LEDs vs. some impartial source with reputable testing equipment. It feels to me like trusting the American Heart Association logo on a sugar based cereal or poptarts before finding out that the AHA is funded by food companies looking to make a buck at all cost. By comparison I read the Twelvolt website and emailed the company in Florida and felt very confident on their testing and confidence in the bulbs specifically for a Telluride. Not to mention their customer service was outstanding and they had no problem answering my questions before I made a purchase.

I do think that the Twelvolt led chip placement does help with the Telluride's projection. And while the Twelvolts are manufacturered in China, I do feel like pointing out that about a 1/3 of Phillips bulbs globally are manufactured and sold in the China market. It's also worth mentioning that the name KIA loosely translated means "coming from Asia", so I felt it was hard for me to complain about a aftermarket chinese made part for a car that, while designed and assembled in the US and made up of 51% America parts, 49% comes from Asia and according to my window sticker the engine hails from Korea which also probably means there are a few more parts that came from China. While I might be paying a slight premium one time to the Florida owners of Twelvolt for sourcing their bulbs from China, it's probably no more or less than I would be by buying Phillips and lining their Dutch pocketbook for their bulbs every ~5 years.

Again, I'm not purposefully trying to start a debate, just a conversation. I felt your post reflected a lot of the information I found that was heavy weighted toward conventional bulbs. My concern with those sources were that I felt they lacked a more current and impartial feel. I definitely consider myself a more conservative buyer and to the right of the bell curve on LED technology as I didn't own my first LED television until about 9 years ago. To further explain the type of buyer I am, buying a Telluride one month after release (March 2019) with minimal research scared the crap out of me but I don't regret it one bit now. Only 2 years ago did I decide to start replacing my household CFLs with LED bulbs and I even noticed sodium vapor street lamps in my area getting replaced by the power company and switching over to LED street lamps. My point is that I think LED technology is here and ready for mainstream use even if testing and regulations haven't caught up.
 
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I appreciate the level-headed reply.

What I've found is that there are no true legal regulations or laws surrounding headlights and their performance. The only regulations that exist are that you must have them and when you should use them.

What do you mean? Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 is federal law and it covers headlamps. And it goes into excruciating detail about the legal standards your headlamps must meet--for example, the plastic lens on your Telluride's headlamps must withstand a minimum of 3 years of actual weathering in Florida and Arizona. No accelerated testing allowed--you actually have to let the plastic sit outside for 3 years.

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Also, your low beams have to meet the requirements at every single one of these points/regions specified below. That's 21 points/regions in the beam, each with certain photometric requirements, such as a minimum intensity, a maximum intensity, or even both at some points/regions.

So yes, there are plenty of legal performance requirements.

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Again, I'm not purposefully trying to start a debate, just a conversation. I felt your post reflected a lot of the information I found that was heavy weighted toward conventional bulbs. My concern with those sources were that I felt they lacked a more current and impartial feel.

Again--I appreciate the even-handed response. I do not wish to start a grand debate here. I only wish to state the facts.

You say you "feel" this way or that way a lot of times--that's the issue.

People can feel all sorts of way about something. How one feels doesn't really matter in light of the facts.

How one feels about their headlamps especially doesn't matter, because in general, people are bad at accurately assessing their headlamp performance. It is very possible to be comfortable with a headlamp that gives you an objectively poor view of the road at night. This is a fact that is well-documented in the literature and understood by headlamp designers. Citations below.

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Another study by different researchers arriving at the same conclusion--consumers prefer headlamps with high levels of foreground illumination instead of worrying about objectively more important factors, such as distance illumination.

Yet another study for headlamp designers showing that consumers overwhelmingly prefer objectively poorer distributions of light, or in other words--lots of light up close, and...who cares about distance illumination?

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There is no grand conspiracy by traditional bulb makers to dissuade the adoption of LED bulbs. I'm not even sure why anyone would bother with such running such a grand conspiracy. All the major companies who make traditional automotive halogen bulbs--Philips, Osram/Sylvania, etc.--are heavily invested in LEDs as well. The writing has been on the wall: LED is the future. Governments have been banning the use of traditional filament bulbs for household use. There's no value in convincing a few people online reading a forum to buy a piddling quantity of bulbs, especially when OEM contracts exist. Selling 10,000,000 bulbs to Hyundai/Kia is a little more important than selling an additional 20 bulbs to some forum readers.

I'm also not sure how much more impartial you can get than the source I linked, which does not have:
  1. A single Amazon Affiliates or other sort of "buy this product" link on their site, unlike, say, Headlight Revolution and their "testing."
  2. A single direct recommendation for any bulb, be it LED or filament, from any manufacturer--all's that presented is the data, with no "you should definitely buy this" sort of commentary.
All the post I linked to above says that these many-sided LED bulbs didn't work across 4 different headlamps, which is a good representation of the headlamps on the market. It doesn't tell you what else to buy. It doesn't tell you to buy halogen bulbs. It simply states to buy something that works well with the headlamp. It doesn't even rule LED bulbs out. It doesn't even provide a helpful link to a $120 competing product that works well. The intention of the source is obviously not to peddle products but to inform, because many people have been caught up in the LED fad without realizing exactly how they're being swindled.

There is, however, some pretty informed and objective testing contained within that website. Actual valid testing, unlike the testing that other posters' seem to rely on, such as Headlight Revolution's "testing." And an explanation of how the multi-sided LED bulb from Twelvolt and other retailers "work" to fill in the shadow that other people have complained about when using other LED bulbs. And an explanation of how the many-sided LED bulb shifts the high-intensity zone to a less useful position. And an explanation of how there's a gap between human perception of headlamp performance and actual performance.

Anyway, you might be curious about my motivations. Perfectly fine. My only motivation is to inform.

I'm not the owner of that site, nor do I have any affiliation with the Automotive LED Research site/Facebook page. However, I am similarly interested in informed, objective testing of LED bulbs. I've spent a lot of time reading the writings of an industry expert on Reddit. I subsequently decided to take matters into my own hands to obtain my own data, as he couldn't share much data (most of it is under NDA).

I spent a few hundred on creating my own testing environment. I included the test of the Sealight in an Accord projector because that projector is cheap and found in dozens of cars from Chevy, Subaru, Toyota, and Honda, such as the Honda Accord and Chevy Equinox. "Sealight" is also commonly cited brand of "good" LED bulbs. My testing blew apart everyone who owns one of the Chevy's/Subaru's/Toyota's/Honda's and claimed that their Sealight unit was supposed to be some sort of upgrade. Like I stated, and backed up with multiple scientific sources: humans are ill-equipped to accurately judge headlamp performance with their bare eyes. And I showed that fact with my own objective testing.

My testing setup is not the fanciest--I have a day job and a wife and kids. But it is, above all, more objective than most of the "testing" and "eyeball testimonials" you will find. For one, all the lamps, before testing, are laser-aligned with the help of the DeWalt laser plumb shown on the left below. Testing is done at specific points that are called out by federal law (see chart above). And testing is done at a distance of just over 25 feet, measured with a Bosch laser rangefinder.

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No testing is better than sloppy, non-scientific testing--that's why I take measurement and alignment seriously. Maybe some people will step back for a moment and reassess the validity of someone's "eyeball testimonial." Maybe some people will step back and instead of downgrading their vehicle's headlamps, will simply keep their stock setup. Both outcomes would be a "win" in my book. I don't monetarily benefit if people decide to buy something or not. My only concern is the sheer number of people who are willingly and eagerly downgrading their headlight setups, and I believe that well-presented, informed, and unbiased testing can hopefully help at least one person out there "see the light."

Here's another interesting "eyeball testimonial" that my testing also blew apart--the oft-repeated claim that Sylvania Silverstar halogen bulbs are supposed to be better than the Sylvania Basic halogen bulbs. A simple Google search will reveal thousands of people online who will swear up and down that their Sylvania Silverstar bulbs are supposed to be an improvement over regular bulbs. It's not--at least not in a projector found in everything from 2010-2017 GMC Terrain's to 2017-2018 Mazda 3's to basically every Honda from 2008 to today to 2011-2019 Toyota Sienna's to 2018+ Subaru Legacy's, etc.

Chart below. See! I can't be a halogen bulb shill--I'm literally tearing apart the most profitable halogen bulb ever created--the Sylvania Silverstar bulb...the short-lived $50 bulb that performs no better than a long-lasting $15 dollar bulb ;). The unfortunate fact of the matter is that even Sylvania itself has smeared the Silverstar bulb for causing some headlamps to fail minimum government standards (no kidding). And yet Sylvania has the nerve to sell its failure-causing bulbs for $50 a pop at your local AutoZone/Napa/Pep Boys.

Now that you've made to to the end of my long-winded exhortation, I hope everyone can see that:
  • I don't have any particular grudge against LEDs in general
  • I'm only interested in scientific truth
  • I'm willing to tear into whatever product, be it LED or halogen, that misleads consumers (*cough* Sylvania Silverstar)
  • I have the necessary understanding and testing setup to objective evaluate bulbs and their claims
  • I see a lot of people here who have been misled by less-than-objective online sources and less-than-objective online "tests", and my only hope is that someone takes my information into consideration, that is all.
  • I don't have any products here to recommend apart from any halogen HIR1/9011 type bulb, from any reputable brand. I don't care if you buy a Philips or Sylvania or Osram or GE or Wagner or Hella or whatever 9011/HIR1 bulb. It doesn't monetarily benefit me in any way. I don't even care if you ignore my suggestion--it's ultimately your car, and you can do what you want (at your own risk). But what I can say is that a 9011 bulb would be an objective upgrade over the stock 9005s, and a 9005-->9011 swap is something that numerous people have done in various cars for the last 15 years, all to good effect.

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Thanks bro. Good stuff. I’ll keep reading FMVSS 108 for updates. As I said I think it’s behind the technology and largely reactive. I have a 2017 Hyundai with Adaptive driving beam technology. The safety FMVSS standards were modified in 2018 to accommodate for newer car technology because I think car manufacturers had to petition to add a feature that offered more safety than the definitions called for. The continued issue I see is that LED technology is moving faster than a board that meets twice a year to consider revisions to a standard that was introduced in 1990 is going to keep up with.
 
The continued issue I see is that LED technology is moving faster than a board that meets twice a year to consider revisions to a standard that was introduced in 1990 is going to keep up with.

In Europe--the land of laser headlights, where you can easily flick of a switch and activate your laser high beams, have been working on defining what makes a legal LED bulb since 2013.


Americans have similarly been tackling the issue of LED bulbs and what makes a legal and effective one since 2017.


In other words: the issue is not a board that "meets twice a year" (this is an incorrect notion) is too slow to stay updated with technological updates. The issue is acutally the other way around: technological updates have been too slow to stay up to date with the regulations, which have always called for a minimally effective and safe beam pattern.

The issue is simply that all the good scientists and engineers of the world, even in parts that are so progressive as to allow people to use laser high beams, simply haven't been able to figure out what makes a good LED bulb.

And if you look at the second link, you'll see that the main sponser of the LED bulb standard is this guy, who works for Osram-Sylvania. I'm sure he is more than motivated to get the job of defining a safe LED bulb that is 100% legal to sell in the US...his own company sells this only in certain parts of the world with a lengthy legal disclaimer ;) (and it's not available for sale in the US).

And where did you get the notion that FMVSS 108 was introduced in 1990?
 
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I concede that you are definitely more knowledgable at this and I'm merely a consumer.

So here's my perspective.

- I didn't feel safe driving with the OEM Telluride halogen bulbs. While I saw your post about a study that said regular old consumers are more worried about illumination in the foreground over distance, I felt I could barely see a street sign about 1 street block away. With the LEDs I can see the foreground, the area directly in front of me where a deer or small animal might jump in front and I can see in the distance and even partially read the same street sign.
- I don't have measurement devices, but I do have my vision which is the only tool I use when I'm driving at night, so while subjective, it is a reflection (no pun intended) of what I use every day. And the way I see it, my optometrist uses a fancy machine to initially guess my prescription, but they still have to verify it by asking me to read a bunch of letters on the wall.
- In my other vehicle that scored very high on the IIHS for headlamps and happens to be lower to the ground with halogen projector bulbs, I am able to see the same street name sign at night.
- I just passed my state inspection with the LEDs, and at the Kia dealership no less, so as previously stated, the regulations may be published and what they are as standards for manufacturers, but to my knowledge passing an inspection just means that you have head lights and that they work. It’s not like aftermarket tint where you can get a ticket for being too dark or have to pay extra at inspection because they need to test your tint darkness. I'm also aware that you can get a ticket for not operating your lights or if they are out but nothing for the type of bulb you use.

On my way home from work I picked up a $10 Sylvania Basic 9005. I’m going to try to find a nice spot some night to perform an eye test with hopefully a few signs at varying distances to compare the 4 different 9005 bulbs I have. Hyundai OEM, Kia Telluride OEM, Sylvania Basic, Twelvolt LED.

I misspoke when I said 1990 for FMVSS, that’s not when the spec was introduced, I think that’s when they added a provision to allow manufacturers to add daytime running lights (but before they were made standard by auto makers). I remember this because when I built my VW based dune buggy I didn’t have to have daytime running lights as they were still optional and I think they have since been made mandatory. I think some point after that is when they started allowing the use of LED for turn signals.
 
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I concede that you are definitely more knowledgable at this and I'm merely a consumer.

So here's my perspective.
I agree with NCTelly on this discussion. The OEM halogens were dangerous. On curvy dark roads, I was blind. On rainy nights, I could not see the lines on the road. The Twelvolt lights may be overpriced/gimmicky, but they are a lot better. Not just whiter, but brighter. I feel much safer driving at night since I can actually see the road in front of me.
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So, is there a recommendation for better lighting than the stock Halogens? I’ve been keeping an eye on the chatting here. So far, seems several have been happy with a few different LED options. @JamesSaintPatrick is taking it to a whole new level! :giggle:

Would be great to hear what some diligent and controlled user testing reveals in helping the rest of us determine what to buy.
 
So, is there a recommendation for better lighting than the stock Halogens? I’ve been keeping an eye on the chatting here. So far, seems several have been happy with a few different LED options. @JamesSaintPatrick is taking it to a whole new level! :giggle:

Would be great to hear what some diligent and controlled user testing reveals in helping the rest of us determine what to buy.

I would love to find out too, and as a matter of fact, I've was keeping an eye on eBay listings for Telluride headlamps.

They aren't TOO expensive...nothing like $1000 for a headlamp, but they definitely aren't cheap either!

Couple that with another $100 or so for bulbs and I'll be a few hundred deep, and I've been holding off on making such a big investment unless people were genuinely curious about the results.

If people just want to see their biases confirmed...then I'm not interested in making such a big investment. There's already plenty of data showing that the many-sided LED bulbs don't work well. There's a link above from an unbiased source that tested the Twelvolt LED in 4 different headlamps, two Japanese and two German.

Now, if there's a good few people here who are genuinely curious about what I might find...then I'll see what I can do to test the Telluride. If you have any specific products you want to see tested, I'd be curious too.
 
There's a link above from an unbiased source that tested the Twelvolt LED in 4 different headlamps, two Japanese and two German.
I missed the link that specifically tested the Twelvolts. Can you resend?

I totally get it and agree 100%. I make a living reading technical reports and white papers that are handed to customers. But in my experience nothing makes (or breaks) a final sale like showing the customer performance and results with their specific configuration on their equipment.

The federal standards for bulbs are only a small part of the equation as the vehicle specific projector housing may tell a different story (better or worse). Things were easier to compare when we were shopping for simple reflective housing bulbs or even easier with sealed beam headlights. Apples to apples comparison is much harder with projector housings because a fraction of a millimeter difference in the chip placement or the length of the halogen tube glass could make all the difference.

I’ll try to find a nice dark road some night soon to do some rudimentary testing with the 4 different bulbs I have with me while in the drivers seat of my Telluride.
 
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I missed the link that specifically tested the Twelvolts. Can you resend?


He doesn't come out and say he purchased it straight from Twelvolt, but I'd be damned if you can spot a single difference between what he tested and what's being sold on the Twelvolt site!

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I totally get it and agree 100%. I make a living reading technical reports and white papers that are handed to customers. But in my experience nothing makes (or breaks) a final sale like showing the customer performance and results with their specific configuration on their equipment.

Yes, the customer is always right, or in other words: often best left to believe what they want to believe.

The federal standards for bulbs are only a small part of the equation as the vehicle specific projector housing may tell a different story (better or worse). Things were easier to compare when we were shopping for simple reflective housing bulbs or even easier with sealed beam headlights. Apples to apples comparison is much harder with projector housings because a fraction of a millimeter difference in the chip placement or the length of the halogen tube glass could make all the difference.

Correct, a fraction of a millimeter is all it takes to make a big difference in any sort of automotive headlamp. At the essence of the issue is the fact we're using reflectors and bulbs measured in millimeters to project light out to hundreds of feet, which would be >100,000 millimeters. Any slight misalignment at the source can and often is hugely magnified by the time the light reaches its final destination hundreds of feet away.

It's like shooting a basketball. When the net is 2 feet in front of you, any sort of aiming error or miscalculation when you release the ball doesn't matter. At worst, the ball bounces off the backboard and into the hoop. You'll make the shot even if you're not a good player. But when you're standing at half-court...a small amount of misaim could easily result in an airball. Any aiming error, miscalculation when you release the ball, etc., are all magnified by the distance the ball has to travel.

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I’ll try to find a nice dark road some night soon to do some rudimentary testing with the 4 different bulbs I have with me while in the drivers seat of my Telluride.

That might make for a good complement to some instrumented testing at specified locations, if I determine that there's enough interest in the results!
 

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